Public vs Private & Academics

[cbg]

The statistics of some educational web sites claim that prep school students score higher than public school students on the ACT & SAT. With that being said a larger % of private school students than ever are receiving acceptance in the most selective colleges and universities. Is this fair because the private schools have the money to hire tutors and the best teachers to work with their students? Have the public school supporters tried to get the private school students excluded from being able to take the college entrance test or having a larger % of slots desiginated for public school students? Let's not forget that most all of the top colleges and universities receive some federal funding for research and other academic needs. They have done it for athletics so why not do the same thing with academics?

Edited January 8, 2007 by cbg

[larry]

Come into a public school and eliminate all of the students from the lower socio-economic levels, like the private schools do, and then compare test scores.

[silverpie]

Come into a public school and eliminate all of the students from the lower socio-economic levels, like the private schools do, and then compare test scores.

 

And yet it's the very schools that try not to do that, by offering financial aid, that got shuffled off into Division II...

[cbg]

Come into a public school and eliminate all of the students from the lower socio-economic levels, like the private schools do, and then compare test scores.

 

The question is should the public schools go after the higer learning institutions and the folks at the SAT & ACT?

[BDURHAM]

This gonzo comparison is flawed on several levels.

 

Are public schools trying to state that universities should not

recruit private school athletes?

 

Maybe you want to suggest that they stop creating

universities and junior colleges -- too many diplomas

being distributed?

 

 

The statistics of some educational web sites claim that prep school students score higher than public school students on the ACT & SAT. With that being said a larger % of private school students than ever are receiving acceptance in the most selective colleges and universities. Is this fair because the private schools have the money to hire tutors and the best teachers to work with their students? Have the public school supporters tried to get the private school students excluded from being able to take the college entrance test or having a larger % of slots desiginated for public school students? Let's not forget that most all of the top colleges and universities receive some federal funding for research and other academic needs. They have done it for athletics so why not do the same thing with academics?

[KCHSCoach]

Silverpie you make a very good point, private and parochial schools try to have diverse student populations, cross section of socio-economic classes, they offer fincial aide, but TSSAA and rather ignorant public school supporters would rathre punish those kids or discriminate against those schools.

 

Perhaps public schools would like to give out diplomas like they do championships just legislate them.

[cbg]

Silverpie you make a very good point, private and parochial schools try to have diverse student populations, cross section of socio-economic classes, they offer fincial aide, but TSSAA and rather ignorant public school supporters would rathre punish those kids or discriminate against those schools.

 

Perhaps public schools would like to give out diplomas like they do championships just legislate them.

 

It's much easier to legislate both academics and athletics, that way you don't have to work.

[supersteve17]

Bill Gates gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world. Are we advocating the same type things in high school sports as well?

 

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

 

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

 

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a company car until you earn both.

 

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

 

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

 

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

 

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

 

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

 

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

 

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

 

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

 

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

Edited January 17, 2007 by supersteve17

[cbg]

Bill Gates gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world. Are we advocating the same type things in high school sports as well?

 

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

 

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

 

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a company car until you earn both.

 

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

 

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

 

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

 

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

 

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

 

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

 

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

 

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

 

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

 

Sooooooooooooooooo True!

[larry]

Bill Gates gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world. Are we advocating the same type things in high school sports as well?

 

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

 

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

 

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a company car until you earn both.

 

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

 

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

 

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

 

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

 

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

 

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

 

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

 

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

 

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

This list is the work of Charles J. Sykes, author of the book Dumbing Down Our Kids: Why American Children Feel Good About Themselves But Can't Read, Write, Or Add. (The list has appeared in newspapers, although not necessarily in this book.) Many versions omit the last three rules:

 

Rule No. 12: Smoking does not make you look cool. It makes you look moronic. Next time you're out cruising, watch an 11-year-old with a butt in his mouth. That's what you look like to anyone over 20. Ditto for "expressing yourself" with purple hair and/or pierced body parts.

 

Rule No. 13: You are not immortal. (See Rule No. 12.) If you are under the impression that living fast, dying young and leaving a beautiful corpse is romantic, you obviously haven't seen one of your peers at room temperature lately.

 

Rule No. 14: Enjoy this while you can. Sure parents are a pain, school's a bother, and life is depressing. But someday you'll realize how wonderful it was to be a kid. Maybe you should start now. You're welcome.

[larry]

And yet it's the very schools that try not to do that, by offering financial aid, that got shuffled off into Division II...

So you would walk into one of the Nashville public schools and offer the first 100 kids you see in the hall a scholarship to your fine private school? Or maybe ask the principal for a list of the 100 kids he would like to get rid of so you can come to their rescue? If so, I have been wrong and I now admit it.

[FCSprideatUT]

So you would walk into one of the Nashville public schools and offer the first 100 kids you see in the hall a scholarship to your fine private school? Or maybe ask the principal for a list of the 100 kids he would like to get rid of so you can come to their rescue? If so, I have been wrong and I now admit it.

 

Private schools are run like a business and without students at the school the business goes belly up. So they must advertise and likewise have something positive to advertise. Boasting better test scores (average) is a big plus for parents looking where to put jimmy into school, so if there is of 50 out of a hundred kids, the private school would prefere the must well mannered, intelligent, and hard working one's that they can. Why??? well i just have one question for you, if you ran a school that depended on people choosing to come to your school and not being forced too, would you pick the kids who sleep in class and pull the fire alarm??