The answer to the problem

[CoachT]

If you went back to one classification there would not be a state champion, except the mythical championship, because there would not be a playoff system. Schools would play ten games, in a conference with schools of similar size, and perhaps a bowl game and that would be it.

[Antwan]

It's really a waste of time to even debate a one class system. It will never happen again in this state...or any other that has any population at all.

[FCSprideatUT]

QUOTE(robjim @ Jun 4 2007 - 05:37 PM) 826471274[/snapback]Simple question, why is Alcoa the only 2A-1A school that has a chance? What do they do different? What is their advantage over all the others in those two classifications?

 

 

What they do different doesn't matter. I cannot define why a school is good at football. I think the fact they they are open zoned helps, but that is not all there is too it. I think that some of the reasons they are good is tradition, town support, and good coaching. The point is that no matter what it is that makes the good, they are good. And i stand by the fact that with the exception of them, in 1 class no other small school would ever compete.

 

QUOTE(coacht @ Jun 4 2007 - 09:08 PM) 826471380[/snapback]If you went back to one classification there would not be a state champion, except the mythical championship, because there would not be a playoff system. Schools would play ten games, in a conference with schools of similar size, and perhaps a bowl game and that would be it.

 

 

I did not even consider how long a playoff would have to be... if you take all the teams involved... to have an honest to goodness Playoff system would put the state champion in at around twenty games...

[BackinTN]

QUOTE(coacht @ Jun 4 2007 - 09:08 PM) 826471380[/snapback]If you went back to one classification there would not be a state champion, except the mythical championship, because there would not be a playoff system. Schools would play ten games, in a conference with schools of similar size, and perhaps a bowl game and that would be it.

 

 

 

Our state champions are mythical right now. Who's the best? From the DII to 5a, you have multiple teams raising their finger saying they are #1. Sure, in their classification, they are. But are they the best? Are we to assume that the 5a champ is best? Are we to assume the DII is best? Is Maryville and Alcoa the best?

I am talking mainly football here because that is where a good portion of the outcry is coming. Why not two more weeks of games to let classification champs play it out and have a final single state champ...then there is no myth. We have way to many champs and they are all saying they are number one...are they really? My point, this time, is that once again things are not being settled on the field where they should be.

[Antwan]

QUOTE(BackinTN @ Jun 5 2007 - 07:53 AM) 826471498[/snapback]Our state champions are mythical right now. Who's the best? From the DII to 5a, you have multiple teams raising their finger saying they are #1. Sure, in their classification, they are. But are they the best? Are we to assume that the 5a champ is best? Are we to assume the DII is best? Is Maryville and Alcoa the best?

I am talking mainly football here because that is where a good portion of the outcry is coming. Why not two more weeks of games to let classification champs play it out and have a final single state champ...then there is no myth. We have way to many champs and they are all saying they are number one...are they really? My point, this time, is that once again things are not being settled on the field where they should be.

 

 

Fifteen games is too many. Seventeen is out of the question. We do have too many classes. I think 2 private and 2 or 3 public would be ideal.

[larry]

2 private school divisions and 3 public sounds about right.

[BackinTN]

QUOTE(Antwan @ Jun 5 2007 - 08:42 AM) 826471505[/snapback]Fifteen games is too many. Seventeen is out of the question. We do have too many classes. I think 2 private and 2 or 3 public would be ideal.

 

 

 

I agree, too many games are being played...and too many teams are going to regions. The playoff system could easily be revamped to cut one game down. Again, someone will cry that they got left out. But if one game week is saved durinng the post season, and some reworking is done for regular season, you can get it right back to 15 games. I personally don't think 16 or 17 games is too many. I've ground out many a season and loved every moment of it...although my wife hated it!

 

My whole point of proposing the idea was to point out the fact that we have too many championships based on the outcries of teams that feel they are being cheated. So the proposals was to come up with more classifications to pacify more cry babies and that is totally ridiculous. That is going completely the wrong direction.

[reaction]

Cut the amount of games and I'm sure a whole new group of whiners would come out stating how not enough schools get a chance to get to make it to the play offs or finals. Just look at the soccer system how it changed from 2002. Way too many teams in that tournament also if you ask me.

[Indian]

QUOTE(larry @ Jun 5 2007 - 09:40 AM) 826471527[/snapback]2 private school divisions and 3 public sounds about right.

 

 

 

With all privates out, I think four classes would be a good number in Division I. I didn't plan it, just divided it with about 68 in each, but 1A goes to about 500, 2A to about 900, 3A to about 1,300, that would be a general cutoff, not exact.

 

1A

Oakdale 163

Gleason 166

Greenfield 169

Sunbright 179

Pickett County 192

Red Boiling Springs 201

Copper Basin 208

Cloudland 218

Huntland 222

Bruceton 224

Greenback 226

Coalfield 227

Lookout Valley 233

South Fulton 244

South Pittsburg 247

Clay County 249

Lake County 258

Midway 268

Cornersville 281

Moore County 286

Harriman 301

Eagleville 310

Collinwood 324

Westside 326

McEwen 329

Perry County 336

Wayne County 339

White House Heritage 341

Whitwell 343

Gordonsville 345

Watertown 347

Unaka 348

Jellico 353

West Carroll 354;

Jo Byrns School 356

Middleton 356

Manassas 358

McKenzie 382

Halls 383

Mt Pleasant 385

Union City 391

North Greene 400

Forrest 402

Huntingdon 407

Peabody 407

Cosby 411

Trousdale 414

Cascade 422

Oneida

Houston Co.425

Wartburg 425

Dresden 432

Humboldt 433

East Robertson 436

Richland 441

Adamsville 442

Hampton 443

Decatur Co. Riverside 451

Rockwood 455

Westside 456

Alcoa 473

Marion Co. 478

Upperman 479

Treadwell 484

Oliver Springs 492

Jackson County 494

South Greene 497

Oakhaven 498

 

2A

Westmoreland 507

Meigs County 513

Tellico Plains 519

Loretto 526

Bledsoe Co. 532

Tyner 536

Lewis County 553

Memphis South Side 557

Chuckey-Doak 569

Polk Co. 569

Happy Valley 576

Milan 577

Gatlinburg-Pittman 588

Camden 605

West Greene 608

Sweetwater 611

Cumberland Gap 618

Westview 627

Harpeth 627

Carver 632

B. T. Washington 636

Smith Co. 644

Sequatchie 650

Waverly 653

Stewart Co.661

Grundy Co. 676

York 668

Frayser 672

Cheatham Co. 672

Cannon Co. 674

Loudon 675

Kingston 677

Johnson Co. 683

Pearl Cohn 686

Signal Mountain 700 (starting in 2008)

East Hamilton High School 700 (estimate, starting in 2008)

Austin-East 702

Sullivan North 703

Chester Co. 706

Scott 741

Gibson Co. 754

Unicoi Co. 754

Pigeon Forge 769

DeKalb County 771

Elizabethton 774

McNairy 775

Crockett County 778

Marshall County 779

Howard 797

McMinn Central 802

Claiborne County 804

Covington 807

Jackson South Side 807

Page 813

Rutledge 814

Macon Co. 820

Greenbrier 821

White House 827

Central-Merry 835

Greeneville 864

Sycamore 865

Bolivar 865

Gibbs 871

East Ridge 875

Spring Hill 875

Obion County 888

Union Co. 888

Sheffield 889

Livingston Academy 889

 

3A

Carter 896

Ripley 900

Lexington 903

Station Camp 906

Haywood 911

Fayette Ware 911

Stone 920

Montgomery Central 927

Memphis East 939

Sequoyah 943

Mitchell 947

Dyersburg 948

Brainerd 949

Hixson 957

Memphis Northside 960

Giles Co. 967

Creek Wood 971

Springfield 977

Fulton 982

Sullivan East 989

Sullivan Central 999

Liberty 1,007

Chattanooga Central 1,009

Dyer County 1,014

Whites Creek 1,022

Stratford 1,036

Kingsbury 1,037

Jackson North Side 1,044

Portland 1,049

Anderson County 1,051

Maplewood 1,054

Hillcrest 1,056

Red Bank 1,074

Seymour 1,079

Trezevant 1,083

Knoxville Halls 1,085

Hickman Co. 1,108

Beech 1,109

Lawrence Co. 1,110

Volunteer 1,125

Powell 1,139

Cocke Co.1,142

Cleveland 1,146

Hardin Co. 1,159

Cherokee 1,160

Clinton 1,160

Kenwood 1,162

Shelbyville 1,172

Fairley 1,175

Tennessee 1,178

Lenoir City 1,183

Tullahoma 1,189

Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate after losing 1000 to new Stone High School)

White Co. 1,205

Hillsboro 1,225

Daniel Boone 1,229

Northwest High School 1,234

Melrose 1,238

Raleigh Egypt 1,241

South Doyle 1,266

Munford 1,269

Knoxville Central 1,273

Kirby 1,281

Centennial 1,304

Morristown West 1,308

Brighton 1,310

Brentwood 1,311

Walker Valley 1,314

 

4A

Morristown East 1,321

West High School 1,329

Memphis Central 1,333

Henry County 1,338

Glencliff 1,352

Rossview 1,356

Gallatin 1,358

Campbell Co.1,362

Clarksville High School 1,362

McMinn County 1,363

Ravenwood 1,379

Maryville 1,381

Craigmont 1,387

Hendersonville 1,389

David Crockett 1,390

Hillwood 1,390

Rhea County 1,398

Oakland 1,409

Soddy-Daisy 1,425

Oak Ridge 1,433

Northeast 1,435

Dickson Co. 1,436

Heritage 1,449

Columbia 1,464

Mt. Juliet 1,465

Franklin County 1,498

Wilson Central 1,506

Independence 1,523

William Blount 1,539

Overton 1,551

Lincoln Co.1,552

Millington 1,557

Lebanon 1,564

Bradley Central 1,571

Wooddale 1,571

John Overton 1,572

Arlington 1,580

Ridgeway 1,589

Smyrna 1,594

Coffee County 1,597

Blackman 1,614

Bartlett 1,636

Sevier Co. 1,640

Franklin High School 1,715

Karns 1,735

Ooltewah 1,742

Siegel 1,753

Whitehaven 1,754

Dobyns Bennett 1,799

Warren County 1,802

LaVergne 1,826

Hunters Lane 1,869

Riverdale 1,943

Bearden 1,948

Germantown 1,987

Cookeville 2,004

Science Hill 2,031

Cordova 2,035

Jefferson Co. 2,047

Collierville 2,114

White Station 2,152

Farragut High School 2,153

Bolton 2,202

Houston 2,266

Antioch 2,373

McGavock 2,592

 

Here's what Chattanooga might look like:

1A: Copper Basin, Lookout Valley, South Pittsburg, Whitwell, Marion County

2A: Meigs County, Tellico Plains, Polk County, Sweetwater, McMinn Central, East Brainerd

2A: Bledsoe County, Tyner, Sequatchie, Grundy County, Signal Mt, East Ridge, Howard

3A: Sequoyah, Brainerd, Hixson, Chattanooga Central, Red Bank, Cleveland, Walker Valley

4A: McMinn County, Rhea County, Soddy-Daisy, Bradley Central, Ooltewah

 

Signal Mt and East Brainerd haven't opened yet, so those are still estimates. Stone might be area 3A, Cumberland area 4A, Walker Valley probably has more than those figures now. Rezoning will affect some Chattanooga schools, probably Red Bank, Hixson and Soddy-Daisy. This is just how these regions could go to show it would work out well, still good teams for their sizes in each region. I'd guess Alcoa would move up, probably others in various classes.

[cbg]

Let's all keep in mind that all decisions or changes must make sound economic sense for the schools and the TSSAA. With that being said, I would promote the following ideas:

 

Go to 4 divisions in football, basketball, and baseball.

All financial aid giving schools must play in 3A or 4A depending on the number of students they have.

Continue to use the multiplier for the private schools that do not offer financial aid.

Play a 10 game football schedule but do not start until the Friday before Labor Day.

Football practice starts on the 1st Monday of August.

Go back to 7 or 8 team districts and you must finish in the top 2 in order to advance to the football playoffs.

All other teams that have 7 wins may attend a bowl game.

 

It does not make sound economic sense to kick anyone out when you are short of funds. The thing to do is reduce the number of divisions and the number of teams going to the playoffs. By allowing civic organizations to have invitational bowl games the TSSAA would receive the same gate % that they now receive for the playoffs and local organizations could also share in the revenue.

[BackinTN]

QUOTE(cbg @ Jun 5 2007 - 10:41 AM) 826471560[/snapback]Let's all keep in mind that all decisions or changes must make sound economic sense for the schools and the TSSAA. With that being said, I would promote the following ideas:

 

Go to 4 divisions in football, basketball, and baseball.

All financial aid giving schools must play in 3A or 4A depending on the number of students they have.

Continue to use the multiplier for the private schools that do not offer financial aid.

Play a 10 game football schedule but do not start until the Friday before Labor Day.

Football practice starts on the 1st Monday of August.

Go back to 7 or 8 team districts and you must finish in the top 2 in order to advance to the football playoffs.

All other teams that have 7 wins may attend a bowl game.

 

It does not make sound economic sense to kick anyone out when you are short of funds. The thing to do is reduce the number of divisions and the number of teams going to the playoffs. By allowing civic organizations to have invitational bowl games the TSSAA would receive the same gate % that they now receive for the playoffs and local organizations could also share in the revenue.

 

 

Thats actually not bad. Definitely going the right direction.

[BackinTN]

QUOTE(Indian @ Jun 5 2007 - 10:37 AM) 826471559[/snapback]With all privates out, I think four classes would be a good number in Division I. I didn't plan it, just divided it with about 68 in each, but 1A goes to about 500, 2A to about 900, 3A to about 1,300, that would be a general cutoff, not exact.

 

 

Your breakdowns work good, but it still leaves a inordinate number of state champions for the same sport with the same age kids in it. You end up with 4 public, and then whatever number the private divisions decide to come up with...small private, large private, urban private , rural private , financial aid, non financial aid, etc.