WHY THE HATE?

[fiftyfifty]

Good post, as long as they keep scores, people will recruit. Its pretty rare in little rural schools.

 

That makes sense, since there is no reason to recruit, they get all the students anyway. The recruiting goes on everywhere by all Divisions, Pujo knows this very well. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

 

I can't think of a single one we've had. Gordansville got 3 from us this year. I don't think they were recruited...but it's hard to say. It didn't appear they would have played much for us anyway. I think rarely would apply to most all small rural schools. Just because a kid transfers does not mean they were recruited away from another.

 

And the same could be said for a transfer from public to private, in fact that is the case the majority of the time. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

[fiftyfifty]

Your right , but I can think of several large publics in your area who would love to still have the kids yall took from em. Like I've said before I know you DONT recruit , you DRAW players to your school with advertisements on fancy web pages , scorin 80 on bad teams , buildin nice fascilities , puttin emphasis on winning , hiring kids parents as coaches , and finally portraying the whole we will make your kids better Students, Athletes and people than a public school can.

 

What is wrong with promoting something you believe in. I am sure you have done this just like everybody else in your life old24eagle. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

[fiftyfifty]

Comparing yourself to a 5A school when you play 1A ball isn't exactly fair now is it. You have gotten the cash to built nicer things in less than 5 years than most 1A publics will ever be able to afford. Don't deny the fact that your school and church have money you may not think you do but compare what yall have and what your parents live in and drive with what the parents of the kids yall play against every week do. I would bet my paycheck that none of your parents live in a single wide trailor and drive an 1990 escort. half the kids in our school or more live in mobile homes their happy but thats when you know your not wealthy ..........Does anyone over there fall in that category? What does this have to do with football? When Grace needs a new blocking sled one of the 10 parents driving the escalade can just go buy it. When Cosby needs one (which they do and have for 3 years) they have to sell sno cones , discount cards , advertising banners , magazines , donuts , have car washes only to find out they are still gonna be short after they pay for fall helmet reconditioning. Do you think having a bloccking sled helps , what about a practice field , tackling dummies , would any of this benefit a football team LOTS of small publics are missing these items which they cannot afford. are you missing any ? is any of yours old and worn out?

 

I hate to break your bubble, but my children's private school experience isn't close to what you have described. We constantly have fund-raisers for everything imaginable. Your comments are short sighted and or just plain incorrect. If the public education system would reach acceptable standards, that would transfer into more college educated public students, a resulting rise in income and some of the problems you listed would dissappear. But there is always gonna be have's and have nots. Perhaps this massive issue cannot be solved by a football thread, I suspect this is true. Demand better schools instead of accepting average or less and I am not talking about sports. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

[old24eagle]

I hate to break your bubble, but my children's private school experience isn't close to what you have described. We constantly have fund-raisers for everything imaginable. Your comments are short sighted and or just plain incorrect. If the public education system would reach acceptable standards, that would transfer into more college educated public students, a resulting rise in income and some of the problems you listed would dissappear. But there is always gonna be have's and have nots. Perhaps this massive issue cannot be solved by a football thread, I suspect this is true. Demand better schools instead of accepting average or less and I am not talking about sports. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

 

I never said you didn't have fund raisers I'm sure the people with the money at least want to see the school trying to help themselves. The public education system is much better than people think but when you HAVE to take every kid that walks through the door some of them will pull your test scores down for many reasons ..........no help at home (if there is a home) , learning disabilities , behavioral disabilities , etc. But see private schools don't have these distractions , and if they do they remove it. You can get a good education at a public school if you can get some support from home. I went to public school , it prepared me well enough for college .........finished college and doing just fine , but I was one of the lucky ones with 2 parents at home who cared.

 

Back to the sports side of this most public schools get NO money from the system for athletics and most small rural parents cant afford to donate tons of money like private parents can (not all but most , I know some of you had to trade in your jag for a cadillac so you could send your kids to private) Most private schools get what they need to be succesful in sports regardless of price ....thats something small publics cant do.

[old24eagle]

I hate to break your bubble, but my children's private school experience isn't close to what you have described. We constantly have fund-raisers for everything imaginable. Your comments are short sighted and or just plain incorrect. If the public education system would reach acceptable standards, that would transfer into more college educated public students, a resulting rise in income and some of the problems you listed would dissappear. But there is always gonna be have's and have nots. Perhaps this massive issue cannot be solved by a football thread, I suspect this is true. Demand better schools instead of accepting average or less and I am not talking about sports. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

 

Why dont you demand better schools or sink some of your money into the public system , volunteer some time to help instead of giving up and paying taxes for your kids to have a GOOD free eduction but sending them somewhere else so you have to pay.

[PBandJ]

Why dont you demand better schools or sink some of your money into the public system , volunteer some time to help instead of giving up and paying taxes for your kids to have a GOOD free eduction but sending them somewhere else so you have to pay.

 

 

Because the system is completely and irretrievably broken. Public school systems are overrun with bureaucracy and teachers unions. Decisions aren't made with the child in mind, they are made with local politics (and federal) and teacher union wants in mind.

 

No place is this more evident than in Wilson Co where athletics and coaching supplements were threatened to be taken away - only to have that "saved" at the extreme threat of firing educators (assistant principals, ed aides, teachers, etc.). A minimal funding increase was finally approved - but allowed only for a status quo budget from last year. There are hundreds of new students and another elementary school added to the system this year.

 

My wife and I volunteer tremendous amounts of time at our kids public schools. My wife spends 3 hours, 2 days a week helping 1st graders with their AR tests because there aren't enough resources. We attend all the functions, donate money for playgrounds, etc. And we still feel like we don't do enough because there are other parents that are able to do way, way more than we are.

 

However, we've both come to the realization that it is a futile attempt. The problem is that there isn't any real competition to the public school system. Local politicians and teacher union's all know they have virtually everyone over a barrel. Unless something is done to create competition (i.e. vouchers, or something), the problem is going to get worse.

 

With that being said, my wife and I are exploring the possibility of sending our kids to a private school. It is virtually a guarantee now once they hit middle school. We have taken the position that we can't sit back and watch a broken system break our children.

[old24eagle]

Because the system is completely and irretrievably broken. Public school systems are overrun with bureaucracy and teachers unions. Decisions aren't made with the child in mind, they are made with local politics (and federal) and teacher union wants in mind.

 

No place is this more evident than in Wilson Co where athletics and coaching supplements were threatened to be taken away - only to have that "saved" at the extreme threat of firing educators (assistant principals, ed aides, teachers, etc.). A minimal funding increase was finally approved - but allowed only for a status quo budget from last year. There are hundreds of new students and another elementary school added to the system this year.

 

My wife and I volunteer tremendous amounts of time at our kids public schools. My wife spends 3 hours, 2 days a week helping 1st graders with their AR tests because there aren't enough resources. We attend all the functions, donate money for playgrounds, etc. And we still feel like we don't do enough because there are other parents that are able to do way, way more than we are.

 

However, we've both come to the realization that it is a futile attempt. The problem is that there isn't any real competition to the public school system. Local politicians and teacher union's all know they have virtually everyone over a barrel. Unless something is done to create competition (i.e. vouchers, or something), the problem is going to get worse.

 

With that being said, my wife and I are exploring the possibility of sending our kids to a private school. It is virtually a guarantee now once they hit middle school. We have taken the position that we can't sit back and watch a broken system break our children.

 

I agree politics can ruin the best things , but giving up is not the answer. It sounds like you are very involved in your childs education which I believe is the key , it takes teachers and parents working together to properly educate our children , so your child would most likely do fine in public school , but if you take them out thats only increasing the % of students in public school with no help from home which is only going to lower public school test scores which will only lower support for public schools.

[Indian]

Because the system is completely and irretrievably broken. Public school systems are overrun with bureaucracy and teachers unions. Decisions aren't made with the child in mind, they are made with local politics (and federal) and teacher union wants in mind.

 

No place is this more evident than in Wilson Co where athletics and coaching supplements were threatened to be taken away - only to have that "saved" at the extreme threat of firing educators (assistant principals, ed aides, teachers, etc.). A minimal funding increase was finally approved - but allowed only for a status quo budget from last year. There are hundreds of new students and another elementary school added to the system this year.

 

My wife and I volunteer tremendous amounts of time at our kids public schools. My wife spends 3 hours, 2 days a week helping 1st graders with their AR tests because there aren't enough resources. We attend all the functions, donate money for playgrounds, etc. And we still feel like we don't do enough because there are other parents that are able to do way, way more than we are.

 

However, we've both come to the realization that it is a futile attempt. The problem is that there isn't any real competition to the public school system. Local politicians and teacher union's all know they have virtually everyone over a barrel. Unless something is done to create competition (i.e. vouchers, or something), the problem is going to get worse.

 

With that being said, my wife and I are exploring the possibility of sending our kids to a private school. It is virtually a guarantee now once they hit middle school. We have taken the position that we can't sit back and watch a broken system break our children.

 

 

Breaking the children..do you think remaining in a public school would lower their SAT scores, chances of getting into college? If so, why exactly?

[PBandJ]

I agree politics can ruin the best things , but giving up is not the answer. It sounds like you are very involved in your childs education which I believe is the key , it takes teachers and parents working together to properly educate our children , so your child would most likely do fine in public school , but if you take them out thats only increasing the % of students in public school with no help from home which is only going to lower public school test scores which will only lower support for public schools.

 

Oh, don't think that moving my children to a private school is giving up. I will be failing and giving up on my kids if they stay in the system. I do agree and believe my children would do "fine" in the public school system. However, I no longer believe they would have the opportunity to "excel". They may not excel, but at least they will have the opportunity. Considering the state of public schools, they won't have that opportunity there. I can't leverage my kids' futures on a hope to do "fine".

 

While I wish I could help every single kid from a broken home or with less resources, I can't. What I can do is help as many as possible by continuing to coach their sports teams and being a role model - at least for the few hours I'm on the field with them. I will say that public office is in my future too. I'm fed up with the system and will be putting my money where my mouth is.

 

To contradict your statement - I will say that the public school system needs "less" support. Only when the public outcry is truly deafening, will the system be forced to make real changes to the public school system.

[PBandJ]

Breaking the children..do you think remaining in a public school would lower their SAT scores, chances of getting into college? If so, why exactly?

 

Technically, it won't lower their SAT scores since that would imply that the scores were high and then dropped. That would imply that they would get dumber during their stay in public schools. My take is that their scores would not have as good an opportunity to be high as it could be if they attended a private. From teaching to the lowest common denominator to lack of funding to special interests, the kids in public schools are getting a raw deal. At least my kids won't be getting a raw deal. I will though, since I will be paying twice over for multiple kids (tax support and private tuition). But a very small price for a better opportunity for my kids.

[Asitis]

Breaking the children..do you think remaining in a public school would lower their SAT scores, chances of getting into college? If so, why exactly?

 

 

Unfortuantely, in Madison County, my opinion to the answer to your first question would be, uh, YES.

[fiftyfifty]

Why dont you demand better schools or sink some of your money into the public system , volunteer some time to help instead of giving up and paying taxes for your kids to have a GOOD free eduction but sending them somewhere else so you have to pay.

 

I will tell you why. For me it is a matter of responsibility to send my children to my church's school to further their knowledge of their faith. That is it pure and simple. For me it is a matter of faith. So you see there are many more elements than sports, public vs private or any other issue you can bring up. Unless of course you are going to attempt to tell me what to believe. PS and also your definition of good education and mine is fundamentally different probably due to our educational background. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />