Help settle an argument!

[thedawg44]

My friend i have coached Middle school baseball and rec league(where this is usually used)i know its not a "rule" you are telling me you have never heard it used,i am just using as a reference that most "lay" people have heard.Im sorry if it has offended your knowledge of baseball.BUT my answer was correct for the question.Thank you for your undying knowledge of Americas game!If i ever have a baseball question i will send it your way.Thanks again.

please do . I'm here for ya. Only on the baseball forum.lol!

[pdpotts]

A couple of things here.  1: I went to Hudl and looked at the footage of that play from the game.  Neither player was out of bounds.  They both went up and then fell on the ground when they came down.  2:  According to the newspaper (The Milan Exchange) the call from the ref was an interception.  I thought it was ruled incomplete.  Based on this I am going to have to concede that my co-worker is correct: the refs made a bad call.

 

Thanks to all who responded.

[swingjuice]

I am having a heated dispute with a co-worker about a call during one of our regular season games.  We are down 22-28 with less than a minute on the clock.  We have posession.  As the clock is winding down we throw a pass to the end zone.  Our receiver goes up for the ball.  The defender goes up for the ball.  BOTH players come down with the ball.  The ref calls the pass incomplete.  End of game.  We lose.

 

I say the ref made the right call because neither player had control of the ball so it had to be incomplete.  My co-worker says it was a tie and it should have been called a completed pass for us.

 

I found a video where this happened in a NFL game and it was ruled as complete for the receiver.  But, we do not play by NFL rules.

 

 

Anyone KNOW (not an opinion) if the ref was correct?

 

Thanks.  If I can prove I am right then I get to crow loud and strong.  If I am wrong then I will have to eat crow.

 

What you fail to mention is the Milan defender caught the ball and South Gibson

WR had to go over his back to grab the ball as both players fell to the ground.

It was an interception clearly. I have watched the video several times. Don't know why

Ref didn't call an interception.

[pdpotts]

Hey Swingjuice,

 

The ref did rule it an interception.  All this time I thought they had called it incomplete.  The co-worker I am refering to says the refs stole the game from us.  I said the refs made the right call.  I too have looked at the video but I guess I need a bigger monitor.  My old eyes don't see an interception.  It really dosen't matter now.  The game, and the final score, is in the past and no amount of talk will change that.  Milan won, SGC lost but I wish fans would stop blaming anything and everything (refs, coachs, linemen, weather, traffic, color of team uniforms, etc. etc. ect.) for our losses.  Know what I mean?  The way some folks talk you would think there is a group who goes around West Tenessee bribing officials just to make sure SGS never wins a game.  Still, the purpose of this thread was to find someone who KNOWS (and can point to a rulebook) what is the correct call in this situtation.

[BVDevil]

just be glad pass interferance wasnt called on the defense, cause then you'd really be screwed. ( to answer your question thought, I've always thought a "tied up" ball, where both the receiver and defender both come down with it, no bobbling or such, the receiver wins the posession...either way, what a crappy way to end a game )

[wingman10]

Baseball season will be here soon

[AllRegion]

Incomplete if both players go out of the endzone without controll!

 

That's correct, but the poster didn't mention anything in his scenario about the players being close to the boundary.

Edited November 16, 2014 by AllRegion

[mhsbd89]

1. I was there and Milan defender easily caught the ball first then the sgc player went over his back and put his hands on the ball. It was pretty obvious it was an interception and Milan started celebrating then refs had a conference. Then Milan players started celebrating again but to be honest I have no idea what they called. The best way to describe the play to someone not there is picture the play in green bay and seattle game where the replacement refs ruled td when the defender had 80 % of the ball and receiver reached around and put a hand on it and they called td. That call ended the strike instantly. Is that how you would describe it pdpotts?

as for tie in baseball I am a tssaa umpire and if it is a true tie I always give it to the runner because by rule they are on base at same time as ball so therefore they are safe. But in all honesty there is a true tie maybe 2 times a whole season and would be hard to see any coach arguing either way on a play that close

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

Hey Swingjuice,

 

The ref did rule it an interception. All this time I thought they had called it incomplete. The co-worker I am refering to says the refs stole the game from us. I said the refs made the right call. I too have looked at the video but I guess I need a bigger monitor. My old eyes don't see an interception. It really dosen't matter now. The game, and the final score, is in the past and no amount of talk will change that. Milan won, SGC lost but I wish fans would stop blaming anything and everything (refs, coachs, linemen, weather, traffic, color of team uniforms, etc. etc. ect.) for our losses. Know what I mean? The way some folks talk you would think there is a group who goes around West Tenessee bribing officials just to make sure SGS never wins a game. Still, the purpose of this thread was to find someone who KNOWS (and can point to a rulebook) what is the correct call in this situtation.

I like the way you think Potts. Like the not making excuses. South Gibson was much better than their record indicated. Some say the game with us came down to that one play at the end of the game and you guys got robbed. But honestly they are doing just what you said... making excuses. There was 4qtrs in that game and plenty of time for the Hornets to ensure that it didn't come down to just one play.

[thedawg44]

 

• I was there and Milan defender easily caught the ball first then the sgc player went over his back and put his hands on the ball. It was pretty obvious it was an interception and Milan started celebrating then refs had a conference. Then Milan players started celebrating again but to be honest I have no idea what they called. The best way to describe the play to someone not there is picture the play in green bay and seattle game where the replacement refs ruled td when the defender had 80 % of the ball and receiver reached around and put a hand on it and they called td. That call ended the strike instantly. Is that how you would describe it pdpotts?
• as for tie in baseball I am a tssaa umpire and if it is a true tie I always give it to the runner because by rule they are on base at same time as ball so therefore they are safe. But in all honesty there is a true tie maybe 2 times a whole season and would be hard to see any coach arguing either way on a play that close

as a tsssaa umpire you should know there is no rule in the book stating a tie goes to the runner

[pdpotts]

 

1. I was there and Milan defender easily caught the ball first then the sgc player went over his back and put his hands on the ball. It was pretty obvious it was an interception and Milan started celebrating then refs had a conference. Then Milan players started celebrating again but to be honest I have no idea what they called. The best way to describe the play to someone not there is picture the play in green bay and seattle game where the replacement refs ruled td when the defender had 80 % of the ball and receiver reached around and put a hand on it and they called td. That call ended the strike instantly. Is that how you would describe it pdpotts?

 

I did not see the actual play.  I had left the stands to slap hands with the players & I was at the other end of the field.  I have watched the video on HUDL several times and on my little screen it is hard to tell.  I don't know how many hands were on the ball but the ball got to the defender first.  I can understand why it was ruled an interception and that makes more sense to me than it being called incomplete.

Edited November 16, 2014 by pdpotts

[mhsbd89]

as a tsssaa umpire you should know there is no rule in the book stating a tie goes to the runner

I didn't say there was a rule. I said they are safe by rule because the are on base safely. c'mon man. don't be petty arguing with a fellow Milan fan. lol  and no I am not a perfect umpire and no one is