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Thanks for the thorough research, CBG. Would it be wrong to surmise that Bradley benefitted the most from the split?

it could be surmised that the privates also took some benefit by having some of those Bradley, Cleveland teams not in the D2 brackets.  Not just the duals, but the traditional tourneys. 

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No doubt there would have been some close matches with Logdon's teams in the early to mid 00's, Cleveland most recently...

 

Sure is great to see everyone wrestling each other again, at least during the regular season.. BC ran the table in Chattanooga's area

I agree in that it is great that everybody is wrestling everybody; however, you do realize that Father Ryan has run the table on the state this year? Edited by facenthecrowd
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State Championships (Duals)

Bradley            12    1st    1994

Baylor                9    1st    2001 

Ryan                  7    1st    1989

Cleveland          6     1st   1992

McCallie            6     1st    1990

Soddy                4     1st    1989  (Small School Division)

 

Individual State Championships

Bradley     10     1st     1998

Baylor       14      (Before Split) 1962, 78, 79, 81

Ryan         14      (Before Split) 1969, 71, 74, 77, 87, 89

McCallie     8      (Before Split)  1976, 82, 85, 86, 90, 91, 92, 93

Cleveland   6      (Before Split)  1980, 94

Soddy         3      1st                  2006

 

I believe those Cleveland titles in the 90's were also when they were a small school. I know we (Maryville) wrestled them first round in the small school division of the '93 state duals at Cleveland High School. What year did they eventually move up to the large school division?

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I agree in that it is great that everybody is wrestling everybody; however, you do realize that Father Ryan has run the table on the state this year?

Quite the year my Irish are having. Spanked Wilson Central, then bear Cleveland/Bradley/Baylor in the same weekend (without a full lineup). Followed that up this week by beating Baylor/McCallie/MBA within 48 hours of each other. Coach Simpson has put together a heckuva squad this year

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Quite the year my Irish are having. Spanked Wilson Central, then bear Cleveland/Bradley/Baylor in the same weekend (without a full lineup). Followed that up this week by beating Baylor/McCallie/MBA within 48 hours of each other. Coach Simpson has put together a heckuva squad this year

 

You leaving out what they did up in Ohio?

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its amazing what money can buy.

106 Killian Nashville Catholic

113 Simpson Nashville Catholic

120 Chalifoux Nashville Catholic

126 Eason Nashville Catholic

132 Simpson Nashville Catholic

138 King Nashville Catholic

145 Wesley Nashville Catholic

152 Wilson Nashville Catholic

160 Garston Nashville Catholic

170 Wesnofski Nashville Catholic

182 Hooker (Transfer from Alcoa, parents & brothers went to FR)

197 Shaw Nashville Catholic

220 Stacey Nashville Catholic

285 Darwin (Started wrestling during Christmas break of 2014 & will play football & Western Kentucky)

 

Who & what did money buy?

 

This is a good team that has few if any major holes. To me it's difficult to determine if they are a great team or if the other teams are just not as strong as advertised. At this point in the season they have proven themselves to be the best dual match team in Tennessee but it will be close at the individual state tournament.

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What Father Ryan has done so far this year is impressive. Though I haven't seen them wrestle yet, up to this point, they obviously have dominated the state of Tennessee. The coaching staff is top of the line, first class in character, teaching technique and overall preparedness. It always has been for as long as I can remember. They have the machine in place and as far as I know, they aren't going away anytime soon.

 

But to say money doesn't play a part is ludicrous. "Money answereth all things". The scripture doesn't say if you'll get a good answer or a bad answer, but you'll certainly get an answer. To simply 'get through' (not including coaching salaries) a high school season without any elaborate travel requires approximately $10.000. Realize that in Hamilton County Public Schools (not sure about the rest of the state) the budget is ZERO. How much do you think the parents of the wrestler's contribute? I would say the average would be ZERO. The coaching stipend for a head coach is 10% of their salary. Assistant 5%. Besides that ALL money has to come from somewhere. It actually costs the head and assistant coaches money to coach (not to mention an enormous amount of their time) just to keep the program afloat. If you add in an off season it's closer to 30K.

 

Personally, I don't care. I like the idea of having to compete against those that have more. That's what life's about. I hate the loud and clear message the TSSAA sends to the kids "well, if they don't use the same rules, it's ok, we'll pamper you". It drives me nuts. But, that's the way it is and I've learned to make the most of it.

 

Point being, the entire reason the Divisions are split up is because money DOES play a part. A huge part.

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What Father Ryan has done so far this year is impressive. Though I haven't seen them wrestle yet, up to this point, they obviously have dominated the state of Tennessee. The coaching staff is top of the line, first class in character, teaching technique and overall preparedness. It always has been for as long as I can remember. They have the machine in place and as far as I know, they aren't going away anytime soon.

 

But to say money doesn't play a part is ludicrous. "Money answereth all things". The scripture doesn't say if you'll get a good answer or a bad answer, but you'll certainly get an answer. To simply 'get through' (not including coaching salaries) a high school season without any elaborate travel requires approximately $10.000. Realize that in Hamilton County Public Schools (not sure about the rest of the state) the budget is ZERO. How much do you think the parents of the wrestler's contribute? I would say the average would be ZERO. The coaching stipend for a head coach is 10% of their salary. Assistant 5%. Besides that ALL money has to come from somewhere. It actually costs the head and assistant coaches money to coach (not to mention an enormous amount of their time) just to keep the program afloat. If you add in an off season it's closer to 30K.

 

Personally, I don't care. I like the idea of having to compete against those that have more. That's what life's about. I hate the loud and clear message the TSSAA sends to the kids "well, if they don't use the same rules, it's ok, we'll pamper you". It drives me nuts. But, that's the way it is and I've learned to make the most of it.

 

Point being, the entire reason the Divisions are split up is because money DOES play a part. A huge part.

FYI, Pat Simpson has coached this year without any assistant coaches being on the faculty @ Father Ryan. While that fact alone saves money it is shocking considering how strong the program has been over the past 30+ years.

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FYI, Pat Simpson has coached this year without any assistant coaches being on the faculty @ Father Ryan. While that fact alone saves money it is shocking considering how strong the program has been over the past 30+ years.

So help me figure this all out. During all these individual tournys this year, he just picked random guys to be asst coaches on the mats? I don't believe this nonsense what so ever. If they're asst coaches there not getting paid, recruiting schools are smart after all.

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