Webb at CPA (Quarterfinals)

[Warriors2011]

Webb #15 is not going to get 20+ carries and he's not going to single-handedly beat CPA; it's extremely rare for any Webb player to get that many touches in a game because Coach Meske spreads the ball around so much.  Often the stars don't even get more than 10-12 carries in a game. Misdirection and deception are fundamental underpinnings of that offensive style--combined with some breakaway speed.  As I've said before, it's likely that Webb 13 and/or 15 will reel off a few long runs, but not nearly enough for this opponent.

LB play is the key to keeping an offense like Webb's under control.  First, the OLBs have to set an edge and turn the play inside.  That's step 1...if you have a good OLB and he sets the edge and turns the play in, then step 2 is the ILBs (and DE and S) have to be chasing the play to make the tackle.  Meske will test both OLBs for CPA and figure out which one he thinks is most vulnerable--the answer is neither.  They might lose contain a couple of times during the course of a game, but for the most part they're very solid and disciplined.  And CPA's ILBs (especially #4) is the fastest LB at closing a hole I've seen all year, maybe the last several years.

Sparty is right as well--if your DL can get some penetration and make the Webb RB have to make a move, or get a hit on them in the backfield (even if it's not a tackle), it disrupts the whole play.  But even assuming there's not much line penetration, CPA's LB corps is good enough to play disciplined D, set an edge, turn the play inside and let #4 clean it up.  Big challenge for the Spartans this week.  Good luck!

[Spartan4Life]

10 minutes ago, Warriors2011 said:

Webb #15 is not going to get 20+ carries and he's not going to single-handedly beat CPA; it's extremely rare for any Webb player to get that many touches in a game because Coach Meske spreads the ball around so much.  Often the stars don't even get more than 10-12 carries in a game. Misdirection and deception are fundamental underpinnings of that offensive style--combined with some breakaway speed.  As I've said before, it's likely that Webb 13 and/or 15 will reel off a few long runs, but not nearly enough for this opponent.

LB play is the key to keeping an offense like Webb's under control.  First, the OLBs have to set an edge and turn the play inside.  That's step 1...if you have a good OLB and he sets the edge and turns the play in, then step 2 is the ILBs (and DE and S) have to be chasing the play to make the tackle.  Meske will test both OLBs for CPA and figure out which one he thinks is most vulnerable--the answer is neither.  They might lose contain a couple of times during the course of a game, but for the most part they're very solid and disciplined.  And CPA's ILBs (especially #4) is the fastest LB at closing a hole I've seen all year, maybe the last several years.

Sparty is right as well--if your DL can get some penetration and make the Webb RB have to make a move, or get a hit on them in the backfield (even if it's not a tackle), it disrupts the whole play.  But even assuming there's not much line penetration, CPA's LB corps is good enough to play disciplined D, set an edge, turn the play inside and let #4 clean it up.  Big challenge for the Spartans this week.  Good luck!

I like this post. Theoretically and on paper you are almost most certainty right. But that's why they play the games. Great insight as to how our offense works. I guess  you've seen it for about a decade now haha. Baylor School gave our offense fits back in 2014 when Ryan Parker was there. An absolute stud leading probably the best line-backing core in the state that year. 

If Webb can establish the threat of the pass it will open up more room for Webb's offense. If the linebackers at CPA are as good as advertised Webb will have to throw effectively. Making CPA defend the pass will open up just enough of the running game to let the two fastest guys on the field #13 and #15 get a seem. And if they get a seem, it turns into a track meet. 

This game could be really good if Webb can accomplish this. If not, it could be a long night. But who knows, Meske has a great staff I'm sure they've thought of some plays to move the ball. We will see.

I agree this will be a big challenge for us.  

Edited November 9, 2017 by Spartan4Life

[Booger]

19 minutes ago, Spartan4Life said:

Howard turned the corner one time against your Irish and he scored on a 75 yard run and left everyone (including your own speedster Cameron Wynn). Unfortunately, it was called back by a very questionable holding call 10 miles away from the play.

The key to ND's victory was not letting him or Jahlil Jefferson #13 turn the corner by hitting them before they got started (Which I believe was the point of Kublah). That and of course some sloppy special teams from Webb. 

 

there always questionalble when they get called back arent they...they were shut down all noght except for that play...total offensive yards by Haslams Pilot Petro School Knoxville proved that..Sparty gonna have to own it one of these days....Sparty ever supported a TD called back on his own team.....and dont lie, cause Booger nose u will

and the only reason your Specoial teams play was sloppy is because there was nowun capable of blocking us

Booger just sayin 

[Booger]

25 minutes ago, Spartan4Life said:

 

While ND and CPA are the favorites to win these quarterfinal games this is one bracket that I wouldn't be surprised if either Webb or Grace pulled the upset. Got some good football going on in the top bracket. The bottom side of the DII-AA bracket seems to be a little easier. I doubt anyone will challenge Lausanne until the State Championship. 

this will b Luzanne's rodeo.....that change the cerebral wizzards with T$$AA r fixin to see to that

Booger just sayin  

[WilsonJr1990]

What does anyone know about FRA? I haven’t seen any of their films or anything, all i know is what I’ve seen as far as scores go. Do they have the ability to make it a game or even win against Lausanne Friday night? 

[BreadTruck28]

9 minutes ago, WilsonJr1990 said:

What does anyone know about FRA? I haven’t seen any of their films or anything, all i know is what I’ve seen as far as scores go. Do they have the ability to make it a game or even win against Lausanne Friday night? 

They have several D1 players. They are young with only 4 seniors. The quarterback is quick and a scholar athlete headed to the Ivy League. Another player is going to same. One of the WRs is ranked the 2nd or 3rd prospect in the class of 2019. Some size on the lines, I especially remember the left tackle. Not a lot of depth though, I think even the qb plays both ways. 

[BreadTruck28]

20 minutes ago, WilsonJr1990 said:

What does anyone know about FRA? I haven’t seen any of their films or anything, all i know is what I’ve seen as far as scores go. Do they have the ability to make it a game or even win against Lausanne Friday night? 

Based off their common opponent, I would think Lausanne would be a heavy favorite. 

[WilsonJr1990]

42 minutes ago, bcd said:

They have several D1 players. They are young with only 4 seniors. The quarterback is quick and a scholar athlete headed to the Ivy League. Another player is going to same. One of the WRs is ranked the 2nd or 3rd prospect in the class of 2019. Some size on the lines, I especially remember the left tackle. Not a lot of depth though, I think even the qb plays both ways. 

Oh wow, I didn’t realize they had that much talent from seeing their scores. Sounds like they may be one of those teams who is a year away from being a legit contender, but with enough talent to scare a good team on any night. 

[Booger]

1 hour ago, WilsonJr1990 said:

Oh wow, I didn’t realize they had that much talent from seeing their scores. Sounds like they may be one of those teams who is a year away from being a legit contender, but with enough talent to scare a good team on any night. 

wilson...Booger thinkin it b very safe to say that alot of these teams with these bad records r just havin a unfotunate flook down year...and sum cases very bad  years...in FRA case 2 of them....therre will b teams in this new alignment that will back up and very competitive next year and the next fewyears to follow.....there will also b new schools in this new class that r bad now and will continue to b real bad n the years to come because they did not have the vision and or resource to prepare for this.....would assume FRA to b one of the prior not the ladder

there will also b schools that were in this Webb dominated DII small class that will no longer be able to dominate the trophy case because of a few new DII schools that were in DI 

Booger just sayin 

[Kublah]

6 hours ago, Spartan4Life said:

The key to ND's victory was not letting him or Jahlil Jefferson #13 turn the corner by hitting them before they got started (Which I believe was the point of Kublah). That and of course some sloppy special teams from Webb. 

Yes, this was exactly my point. 

Also, I get that Webb's scheme is to spread the ball around. Obviously Menske is a great coach.

But In the title game last year, the only Webb player who could do anything was #15. He was making 2-3 elite defenders miss every carry. IMO to beat CPA, ND or Lausanne, Webb will have to lean on him. When you have Picasso, let him paint.

[Spartan4Life]

38 minutes ago, Kublah said:

Yes, this was exactly my point. 

Also, I get that Webb's scheme is to spread the ball around. Obviously Menske is a great coach.

But In the title game last year, the only Webb player who could do anything was #15. He was making 2-3 elite defenders miss every carry. IMO to beat CPA, ND or Lausanne, Webb will have to lean on him. When you have Picasso, let him paint.

Haha I don't disagree. When healthy #15 Howard is elite.

 

Webb should only be missing one starter for this game who would be back next week if Webb were to win.  

[Booger]

kid is pure lightnin.....what hes missing is a supporting cast against so he can be elite against quality apponents......whether or not he got only 70 yds per game......he will still be recruited highly when that day comes if he can get away from the injury bug.....FB may a bit much for his tuffness.....but he sure look like a gold medalist track star when he gets lose

....that bein said...its easy to forget how young he is.....and that sometimes gets lost

Booger just sayin 

Edited November 9, 2017 by Booger