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On 8/13/2022 at 3:25 PM, JRB said:

Exactly!  Other than getting every Catholic kid, what else should FRHS be doing? And what can they do to attract a kid from the aforementioned schools? 

Interesting question...observing FRHS wrestling.  They have been dominant for decades under Pat Simpson.  Watching the state tournament at MBA this year, FRHS kids were everywhere, up and down the weight classes.  I talked to an MBA wrestling parent about what made FRHS still so good after all these years, besides just Pat Simpson himself.  He said FRHS kills everyone with their developmental programs...that they get kids really early into the pipeline before they even get to campus.  Don't know any more than that, but would make sense to me...

I wonder why they haven't replicated that in football, or is it possible the wrestling is just king at FRHS and football has to play 2nd fiddle to it?  Are kids getting pulled into wrestling at the expense of football?

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43 minutes ago, Navy21412 said:

Interesting question...observing FRHS wrestling.  They have been dominant for decades under Pat Simpson.  Watching the state tournament at MBA this year, FRHS kids were everywhere, up and down the weight classes.  I talked to an MBA wrestling parent about what made FRHS still so good after all these years, besides just Pat Simpson himself.  He said FRHS kills everyone with their developmental programs...that they get kids really early into the pipeline before they even get to campus.  Don't know any more than that, but would make sense to me...

I wonder why they haven't replicated that in football, or is it possible the wrestling is just king at FRHS and football has to play 2nd fiddle to it?  Are kids getting pulled into wrestling at the expense of football?

If you look at the Father Ryan wrestling roster, they have several kids including state champion (126lb) Casen Roark that participate in football.  Almost every one of the upper weights are on the football team so no, the wrestling program is not hurting the football program.  The truth is that very few of the athletes that consider football to be their primary sport participate in wrestling.  With former State Champion (285lb) Jeremy Darvin returning as a teacher, assistant football coach and assistant wrestling coach I look for even more of the football players to join the wrestling program this year.  Jeremy played on the defense line for Western Kentucky and he is already very popular with the kids.   

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2 minutes ago, cbg said:

If you look at the Father Ryan wrestling roster, they have several kids including state champion (126lb) Casen Roark that participate in football.  Almost every one of the upper weights are on the football team so no, the wrestling program is not hurting the football program.  The truth is that very few of the athletes that consider football to be their primary sport participate in wrestling.  With former State Champion (285lb) Jeremy Darvin returning as a teacher, assistant football coach and assistant wrestling coach I look for even more of the football players to join the wrestling program this year.  Jeremy played on the defense line for Western Kentucky and he is already very popular with the kids.   

Throw in the fact that people want to compete in a proven program and it shows the difference between the sports at Father Ryan.  Simpson has a roster of former champs that come back to the program to help develop the team.  The football side has a record of not keeping alumni coaches....Corey Stewart was the last and left to go to LA before revamping Ezell Harding.  I hope Jeremy can change that trajectory but it's not his job: it is the HC and he hasn't done it in almost a decade.  I know my posts are often critical of the HC, but he still isn't .500 at the school.  Most folks would be reassigned at the very least.

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1 hour ago, cbg said:

If you look at the Father Ryan wrestling roster, they have several kids including state champion (126lb) Casen Roark that participate in football.  Almost every one of the upper weights are on the football team so no, the wrestling program is not hurting the football program.  The truth is that very few of the athletes that consider football to be their primary sport participate in wrestling.  With former State Champion (285lb) Jeremy Darvin returning as a teacher, assistant football coach and assistant wrestling coach I look for even more of the football players to join the wrestling program this year.  Jeremy played on the defense line for Western Kentucky and he is already very popular with the kids.   

Part of that discussion I was having with the MBA parent at the state tournament (who is also a wrestling alum) was that he and some others were trying to help Frank and Patrick Simpson to help create a developmental program at MBA, and get more kids in the pipeline, but he said something like we are way behind where FRHS is, and it will take years of work and commitment to get where they are right now.

Is that true (would seem so), and if it is, can't FRHS create something similar in football?  Whatever is going on in wrestling clearly is working and has for many years...

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33 minutes ago, Navy21412 said:

Part of that discussion I was having with the MBA parent at the state tournament (who is also a wrestling alum) was that he and some others were trying to help Frank and Patrick Simpson to help create a developmental program at MBA, and get more kids in the pipeline, but he said something like we are way behind where FRHS is, and it will take years of work and commitment to get where they are right now.

Is that true (would seem so), and if it is, can't FRHS create something similar in football?  Whatever is going on in wrestling clearly is working and has for many years...

With regards to the football program, I really don't know what the problems were in the past or what they currently may be!  I do know that it takes a village for a program to be successful and most of the time it's a people problem as to why a program is consistently on the bottom.  Yes, the football program, basketball team, baseball team, etc... should all be competing for state championships much like the wrestling program.  Again, it's a people problem and until the Board of Trust, administration, alumni, faculty, student body and players all get on the same page you are not going to change the results that you are currently getting.  When you have people making decisions as to what is best for a high school football team that were never an athlete you have a problem.  Is there a reason that people like Bobby Garmon, Bob Forster, Joe Stamps, Coach Boots Donnelly or former players like Mike Wright are not on the Board of Trust?  Now my friend you understand the people problem!  Father Ryan wrestling Coach Pat Simpson has surrounded himself with winners that check their ego at the door and have one common goal which is to win a state championship!  

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6 hours ago, cbg said:

With regards to the football program, I really don't know what the problems were in the past or what they currently may be!  I do know that it takes a village for a program to be successful and most of the time it's a people problem as to why a program is consistently on the bottom.  Yes, the football program, basketball team, baseball team, etc... should all be competing for state championships much like the wrestling program.  Again, it's a people problem and until the Board of Trust, administration, alumni, faculty, student body and players all get on the same page you are not going to change the results that you are currently getting.  When you have people making decisions as to what is best for a high school football team that were never an athlete you have a problem.  Is there a reason that people like Bobby Garmon, Bob Forster, Joe Stamps, Coach Boots Donnelly or former players like Mike Wright are not on the Board of Trust?  Now my friend you understand the people problem!  Father Ryan wrestling Coach Pat Simpson has surrounded himself with winners that check their ego at the door and have one common goal which is to win a state championship!  

Mike Wright is "kinda involved" with CPA. LOL

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8 hours ago, Navy21412 said:

Part of that discussion I was having with the MBA parent at the state tournament (who is also a wrestling alum) was that he and some others were trying to help Frank and Patrick Simpson to help create a developmental program at MBA, and get more kids in the pipeline, but he said something like we are way behind where FRHS is, and it will take years of work and commitment to get where they are right now.

Is that true (would seem so), and if it is, can't FRHS create something similar in football?  Whatever is going on in wrestling clearly is working and has for many years...

The Catholic Panthers are a 5th-8th grade team that should be what you see on the wrestling side.  A lot of those players go elsewhere for high school: MBA, Pearl Cohn, BGA, and Ensworth to name a few.

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