<b>TSSAA PLANS</b> Here it is!

[ELA]

The TSSAA plan is out and a recent article in the Times Free Press touted the following plans as possible options that school administrators will vote on in the fall. The 4th option is still a mystery but my TSSAA sources suggest it MAY be a radical approach:

 

PLAN I: Leave the system just the way it is now.

PLAN II: Do away with Division II and use a multiplier system (1.5 for non-financial aid, and 2.0 for financial aid schools) just like the one used in Georgia.

PLAN III: A total split with three classes in each sport (including football).

PLAN IV: Unannounced in the article but believed to be an Urban, City, Town, and Rural split with all schools (public and private) included.

 

What do you guys think?

[deadhead]

personally I like Plan II best and Plan III second.

[AGGSL]

I like the multiplier plan as I think it is a disgrace that theses kids do not get the opportunity to compete with each other on the field oron the court. Perhaps with the multiplier in place, the publics/privates would play each other on a regular basis.

It seems to me that the MBAs, BAs, McCallies would not really be harmed as they would be competing agaisnt the largest public schools which is where they should be, at least in my opinion.

I have no idea what Plan 4 is.

[Indian]

Wouldn't a multiplier and all teams in one division just end up in championship games like Brentwood Academy vs Riverdale? Talk about going in circles. I don't see a need to drop from 5 to 3 classes in football when only around 20 private school teams would be going to Division II. Five would be just as good as it is now. You'd have some current Class 2A teams drop into Class 1A but fewer teams would be affected in the larger divisions. Is this a scare tactic by the TSSAA to influence schools to vote against a total split?

[ELA]

Indian, I think you've "Hit the nail on the head!" In any case, how do you think three classifications would work out? Maybe Silverpie would run the math and come up with a list for both options? I would ask Swamp but he has retired from CoachT.

[Chakra20]

Exacttly what they want to happen. They want people to be up in arms about this decision. I think we will be going with a multiplier, simply because it makes the most sense. I have said it all along that if they split the schools entirely you will have less classes no doubt. I know its beating a dead horse but here we go....

 

1A and 2A public schools could easily be combined because there is not much a differnce between the two. What ive stated before is also that our championships per thousands of people in the state is way out of whack in comparison with other states.6 championships is all that is needed in a state of this size. 8 freakin champions in a state the size of TN is rediculous.

 

IMHO, as well that plan 4 would be way to difficult to implement but if the TSSAA is made outta money then they could do it.

 

With the attitude the public schools have carried throughout his whole thing i would imagine 3 would be the way they would want togo, but they want to keep the same number of classes but I ask why. You are taking 20 teams out of the two divisions but they are the prolly 10-15 of the tops teams in those 2 classes. Wouldnt that just make it more watered down than it currently is?

 

I mean i understand this all about winning some games and so forth and i understand why Collinwood would really want this. They just had the best team they prolly had in many years and they just got beat up once they played one of the decent private schools.

 

I hope they choose the multiplier its the only one where everyone gets to play everyone and then people are placed in oppropriate divisions with the number of students that particiapate in sports.

 

Overall i dont think the extremist public supporters will back any of these proposals. UNless plan 4 comes out to be something they can actaully do.

[silverpie]

Give me a few days on this. Right now, I'm working on my plan (which may turn out to be Plan 4--I'm recognizing echoes of something I wrote to RC in the four-kind plan, and I know he has also seen pieces of the promotion-relegation plan that I showed him back at wrestling state.)

[VolunteerGeneral]

If people want to have a system that is fair, then a merit based system is the best option available. If you don`t like it then your motives are wrong. That pretty much says it all!

[OnlineLC]

It will be interesting to consider how the vote will go on this one.

 

There is probably zero possibility of the Public Schools voting for the multiplier as there is too much representation from Class 3, 4 and Class 5 Schools who don't want to see the current Div II schools back with them.

 

The larger schools will have no problem with just a 3 Division Group for Publics, however there will be an outcry from the smaller rural 1A's who now find they are lumped in with Trousdale, Milan etc. I doubt that the current 4A schools would be too pleased with this also. This would be the preference of 2A, 3A and 5A schools and probably get their vote.

 

We all know how popular it would be to leave everything alone but I think secretly that is what the TSSAA would like.

 

Can't comment on Plan 4, but it sure would be nice to see one.

[rollredroll]

Good assessments, OnlineLC.

 

If the small rural 1A schools would be against a three class, all public classification, that would beg the question, "What do they want?" I can partly sympathize with their wish not to play the small privates, but if they are not willing to play the TCs and Milans, then one has to wonder if they just want things legislated so that a state title is easy to come by for them.

 

As for the current 4A schools, I think many would not mind a three-class public format. Not every team is a Maryville, who would play anywhere with little gripes, but I think a fair amount of 4A schools would compete with decent to good results in a new AAA.

 

I personally favor a multiplier, although it will lead to the same future complaints IMO.

[onemoretime]

If it isn't a total split we will be having this same discussion in 6 years at the latest. Single and double A schools want the privates out so if you move them up to triple and quad A they will be crying foul in a few years.

 

The problem is the private schools want their "cake and ice cream all to themselves" aka we will get our kids away from the so-called thugs in the public schools BUT we want to compete and win the public school state championships. Can't have it both ways!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Supreme Court has already ruled the TSSAA can't have a strict recruiting rule, thanks to Brentwood Academy and Carlton Flatt, so you have to separate them once and for all. Do what the masses have already said and let the privates go there way and the public schools go there way.

 

Ronnie Carter stated that 64% of all the state championships, not just football, in Tennessee have been won by teams in five urban counties since 1970. He also stated that the problem is an urban/rural not public/private. Someone asked the question how many state championships have been won by public schools and how many by private schools since 1970. He did not have that information. I believe this is the whole issue and I believe it would be at least 70%, if not more, when private schools actually competed against public schools during the tournaments for the state championship the private schools win. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

[ELA]

PLAN III SPLIT WITH THREE CLASSIFICATIONS

 

PUBLIC ONLY - Football:

 

DI-CLASS A (2005)

Oakdale

Greenfield

Copper Basin

Gleason

Coalfield

Sunbright

Red Boiling Springs

Lake County

Pickett Co

Hollow Rock-Bruceton

Greenback

Eagleville

Cornersville

South Pittsburg

Cloudland

Lookout Valley

Jo Byrns

Midway

Moore County

South Fulton

Huntland

Clay County

Watertown

Heritage-White House

Gordonsville

Cascade

West Carroll

Jellico

Wayne County

Collinwood

Middleton

Perry County

Monterey

Halls

Whitwell

Forrest

Mt. Pleasant

Oneida

North Greene

McKenzie

Adamsville

Unaka

Trousdale County

Cosby

Rockwood

Riverside

Houston County

Dresden

Manassas

Hampton

Alcoa

East Robertson

Wartburg Central

Harriman

Peabody

Huntingdon

Union City

Bledsoe County

Richland

Jackson Co

Westmoreland

Cumberland Gap

Tellico Plains

Booker T. Washington

Upperman

Polk County

Oliver Springs

Westside

Humbolt

Westwood

Tyner

Oakhaven

Sequatchie County

Camden

Chuckey-Doak

Sweetwater

York

Happy Valley

South Greene

Treadwell

Meigs County

Westview

Loretto

Lewis County

Mitchell

Gatlinburg-Pittman

Fairview

 

DI-CLASS AA/u>

Waverly

George Carver

Stewart County

Milan

Cannon Co

Mairon County

Cheatham Co

Smith Co

Chester County

Giles County

Frayser

McNairy County

Pigeon Forge

Grundy County

Harpeth

Kingston

Marshall Co

McMinn Central

Hillcrest

Johnson Co

DeKalb

Loudon

Unicoe CO

Scott County

Claiborne County

Memphis Southside

Station Camp

Rutledge

Crockett Co

Macon Co

Greenbrier

Walker Valley

Howard

Sequoyah

Sullivan North

Sycamore

Austin-East

Pearl-Cohn

Greenville

Sheffield

Fulton

Covington

Obion Co

Ripley

Livingston

Whites Creek

Knox-Fulton

Montgomery Central

Dyer Co

Elizabethton

East Ridge

Bolivar Central

Maplewood

Union County

Brighton

Lexington

Seymour

Spring Hill

Fayette Ware

Creek Wood

Portland

Haywood Co

Jackson South Side

Gibson Co

Gibbs

Hixson

White House

Raleigh-Egypt

Trezevant

Sullivan East

Springfield

Rossview

Knox Carter

Memphis East

Anderson County

Memphis Northside

Shelbyville

Kingsbury

Brainerd

Startford

Lawrence Co

Sulivan Central

Dyersburg

Hickman Co

Lenior City

Tennessee High

Volunteer

White Co

Hardin Co

 

DI-CLASS AAA/u>

Sullivan South

David Crockett

Chattanooga Central

Farley

Knox Halls

Clarksville NE

Cherokee

Cleveland

Wilson Central

Ravenwood

Clinton

Page

Morristown West

Clarksville NW

Tullahoma

Daniel Boone

Craigmont

Hillsboro

Knox Central

Siegel

Cocke Co

Mt. Juliet

Memphis Central

Clarksville

Red bank

Henry Co

Kenwood

Melrose

Ridgeway

Nashville Overton

Morristown East

Rhea Co

Hillwood

Glencliff

Lavergne

Lebanon

Jackson Northside

Maryville

South-Doyle

Memphis Overton

Knox West

Wooddale

Campbell Co

Munford

Columbia Central

Coffee Co

Heritage

McMinn Co

Oak Ridge

Smyrna

Kirby

Beech

Millington

Franklin Co

Karns

Lincoln Co

Sevier Co

Blackman

Centennial

Hamilton

Ooltewah

William Blount

Gallatin

Central-Merry

Hendersonville

Franklin

Houston

Soddy Daisy

Dobyns Bennet

Bearden

Warren Co

Brentwood

Riverdale

Cumberland Co

Jeff Co

Hunters Lane

White Station

Cookeville

Science Hill

Bradley Central

Bartlett

Whitehaven

Bolton

Antioch

Oakland

Collierville

McGavock

Cordova

Dickson Co

Farragut

Germantown

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