supersteve17 Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 It won't be too long before a decision is reached in the TSSAA/BA case before the Supreme Court. What are the real implications of the possible outcomes in the case? I have heard a lot of speculation that has run the gamut from "nothing changes" to "TSSAA goes bankrupt and schools must re-organize in a new way." What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 TSSAA attorney Rick (Ricky to those who have known him a while) Colbert is quoted as saying - . . . a ruling in favor of BA would be ‘potentially devastating.’ “It (TSSAA) would not have the wherewithal to pay the millions of dollars that Brentwood Academy would ask for in legal fees,” Colbert said. “But I’m not sure school officials would lose much sleep if TSSAA went out a business.” He does not sound very confident. It doesn't really matter what you or I think. What matters is what the 9 Supreme Court justices think. JMHO. I wish this case had been settled 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 If the TSSAA wins the case you will see a complete split between the private schools and the public schools. IMO, the private schools would then establish their own organization. If Brentwood Academy wins: Everyone will be placed back together in 4 divisions for football. You will see the financial aid rules changed to something similar to what they were before the split. The TSSAA will try to cut a deal to pay a % of the legal fees and the various boards will have 50% public school and 50% private school officials on them. The TSSAA will use their insurance to pay X amount of the legal fees and the remaining balance will be paid by the member schools. Brentwood Academy will own the keys to the TSSAA offices and will instruct everyone as to how things are going to be done and we will really have no choice but to go along with them. IMO, you are going to see BA do a complete 180 and change directions in the way that they handle athletics. They will still hire good coaches and try to win but you will see them work hard to improve their academic and arts programs. The adminstration has been waiting for the day that Coach Flatt and his regime retires so they can run the school like a true Prep school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takedown3 Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Get used to the BASSAA which will he located in the Carlton Flatt Building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 There are about 150 public schools in A and AA, in the rural areas or at least outside the largest state cities. I can certainly see them forming their own group. It could have about 75 each in two classes for everything but football, and three in football. Maybe some of the Class AAA schools would be interested, too. Or teams could play who they wanted without concrete districts or regions, and playoffs could be determined after that. I"m not too big a fan of that idea, but a football grouping around here of Sequatchie, Whitwell, Bledsoe, Marion, South Pittsburg and Grundy, possibly Lookout Valley (in Hamilton County but not very urban) would appeal to a lot more locals than playing teams such as Howard, Sequoyah, Silverdale Academy and David Brainerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verb58 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Well either way it goes, I don't see how the publics and privates don't fully split. I personally wished they still played together but following a large school I can truly appreciate the dilema that the 3A and under schools actually face. It's a numbers thing and as much as we would like it to be, comparing numbers of a private school to the numbers of a small public school would be like comparing apples to oranges. If TSSAA wins look for a total split. If BA wins the TSSAA will be disbaned and most publics will form their own alliance. I hope it doesn't come to this but it looks like that is what is going to happen either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 This is about 140 up through 1,000 enrollment, about 35 after that. Some might not want to jump, but if their neighbors did who would they play if they stayed. The largest schools probably wouldn't move, I'm guessing, but some might. I'm probably missing some that are rural, left in some that aren't really too rural, but this should be somewhat accurate. Some of them are far more rural than others on the list. It would be a help financially, too many of the schools have district games with city schools that literally bring less than 10 fans/parents to basketball games. And I'm not just throwing out schools for no reason, this has been discussed. Clinch 32 Hermitage Springs 90 Frank Hughes 108 Hampshire 112 Big Sandy 143 Clarksburg 150 Oakdale 163 Gleason 166 Greenfield 169 Santa Fe 171 Sale Creek 179 Sunbright 179 Washburn 187 Pickett County 192 Red Boiling Springs 201 Bradford 208 Copper Basin 208 Cloudland 218 Huntland 222 Hollow Rock-Bruceton 224 Greenback 226 Coalfield 227 Clarkrange 231 Lookout Valley 233 Middle College 241 South Fulton 244 South Pittsburg 247 Clay Co.249 Van Buren 254 Lake Co. 258 Midway 268 Cornersville 281 Moore Co. 286 Harriman 301 Eagleville 310 Hancock County 318 Collinwood 324 Westside 326 Culleoka 328 McEwen 329 Community 334 Perry County 336 Monterey 339 Wayne County 339 White House Heritage 341 Scotts Hill 343 Whitwell 343 Gordonsville 345 Watertown 347 Unaka 348 Jellico 353 West Carroll 354 Jo Byrns 356 Middleton 356 McKenzie 382 Halls 383 Mt Pleasant 385 Union City 391 North Greene 400 Forrest 402 Huntingdon 407 Peabody 407 Summertown 411 Cosby 411 Trousdale 414 Cascade 422 Oneida Houston Co.425 Wartburg 425 Dresden 432 Humboldt 433 East Robertson 436 Richland 441 Adamsville 442 Hampton 443 Decatur Co. Riverside 451 Rockwood 455 Marion Co. 478 Upperman 479 Oliver Springs 492 Jackson County 494 South Greene 497 Westmoreland 507 Meigs County 513 Tellico Plains 519 Loretto 526 Bledsoe Co. 532 Lewis County 553 Chuckey-Doak 569 Polk Co. 569 Happy Valley 576 Milan 577 Sequatchie 578 Gatlinburg-Pittman 588 Camden 605 West Greene 608 Sweetwater 611 Cumberland Gap 618 Westview 627 Harpeth 627 Smith Co. 644 Waverly 653 Stewart Co.661 Grundy Co. 676 York 668 Cheatham Co. 672 Cannon Co. 674 Loudon 675 Kingston 677 Johnson Co. 683 Chester Co. 706 Scott 741 Gibson Co. 754 Unicoi Co. 754 Pigeon Forge 769 DeKalb County 771 Elizabethton 774 McNairy 775 Crockett County 778 Marshall County 779 McMinn Central 802 Claiborne County 804 Rutledge 814 Macon Co. 820 Greenbrier 821 White House 827 Bolivar 865 Spring Hill 875 Obion County 888 Union Co. 888 Livingston Academy 889 Ripley 900 Lexington 903 Stone 920 Montgomery Central 927 Sequoyah 943 Dyersburg 948 Giles Co. 967 Springfield 977 Dyer County 1,014 Portland 1,049 Seymour 1,079 Hickman Co. 1,108 Lawrence Co. 1,110 Volunteer 1,125 Cocke Co.1,142 Hardin Co. 1,159 Cherokee 1,160 Clinton 1,160 Shelbyville 1,172 Tennessee 1,178 Lenoir City 1,183 Tullahoma 1,189 White Co. 1,205 Daniel Boone 1,229 Henry County 1,338 Campbell Co.1,362 McMinn County 1,363 David Crockett 1,390 Rhea County 1,398 Dickson Co. 1,436 Columbia 1,464 Franklin County 1,498 Lincoln Co.1,552 Coffee County 1,597 Sevier Co. 1,640 Franklin High School 1,715 Warren County 1,802 Cumberland Co. 1,994 (doesn't have the numbers lost to the new Stone High School) Cookeville 2,004 Jefferson Co. 2,047 There would be about 52 in a three-class football system with these schools. If Jefferson, Cookeville and those types did not join, I think two classes could be used. In basketball there would be nearly 60 in three classes or about 90 each in a two-class group. Around Chattanooga, districts in basketball might include A: Whitwell, Lookout Valley, Sale Creek, South Pittsburg, Copper Basin, Richard Hardy AA: Marion County, Bledsoe County, Sequatchie, Grundy County, Tellico Plains, Meigs County, Polk County, Sweetwater AAA: McMinn Central, Stone, Sequoyah, Cumberland County, Rhea County, McMinn County Football would probably be similar, Marion and McMinn Central might drop in football to replace schools that don't have that sport such as Hardy and Sale Creek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersteve17 Posted April 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 QUOTE(Indian @ Apr 15 2007 - 12:39 PM) 826437934[/snapback]There are about 150 public schools in A and AA, in the rural areas or at least outside the largest state cities. I can certainly see them forming their own group. It could have about 75 each in two classes for everything but football, and three in football. Maybe some of the Class AAA schools would be interested, too. Or teams could play who they wanted without concrete districts or regions, and playoffs could be determined after that. I"m not too big a fan of that idea, but a football grouping around here of Sequatchie, Whitwell, Bledsoe, Marion, South Pittsburg and Grundy, possibly Lookout Valley (in Hamilton County but not very urban) would appeal to a lot more locals than playing teams such as Howard, Sequoyah, Silverdale Academy and David Brainerd I assume you are saying this IF the TSSAA loses? I thought the point has been made many times on these discussion boards that the NFHS would not endorse/approve two organizations or sanctioning bodies in the same state. Is that true or is that merely speculation? You seem to be advocating a split on stricly urban/rural lines. What about the rural private schools (of which there are really very few)? Would you play with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPeabody Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 I have been under the impression that the NFHS rule about recognizing only one sanctioning body per state is part of the problem as well; being that a game between two schools from different sanctioning bodies is not allowed. (And I think the penalties for such a contest can be quite harsh.) If the TSSAA wins, and there is a total split between public and private, I would expect discussion and possible future legal action in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPHSTIGERS87 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 QUOTE(wave88 @ Apr 15 2007 - 02:01 PM) 826437949[/snapback]Well either way it goes, I don't see how the publics and privates don't fully split. I personally wished they still played together but following a large school I can truly appreciate the dilema that the 3A and under schools actually face. It's a numbers thing and as much as we would like it to be, comparing numbers of a private school to the numbers of a small public school would be like comparing apples to oranges. If TSSAA wins look for a total split. If BA wins the TSSAA will be disbaned and most publics will form their own alliance. I hope it doesn't come to this but it looks like that is what is going to happen either way. Either way, I hope they do split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan6 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 QUOTE(cbg @ Apr 13 2007 - 09:37 PM) 826437117[/snapback]If the TSSAA wins the case you will see a complete split between the private schools and the public schools. IMO, the private schools would then establish their own organization. If Brentwood Academy wins: Everyone will be placed back together in 4 divisions for football. You will see the financial aid rules changed to something similar to what they were before the split. The TSSAA will try to cut a deal to pay a % of the legal fees and the various boards will have 50% public school and 50% private school officials on them. The TSSAA will use their insurance to pay X amount of the legal fees and the remaining balance will be paid by the member schools. Brentwood Academy will own the keys to the TSSAA offices and will instruct everyone as to how things are going to be done and we will really have no choice but to go along with them. IMO, you are going to see BA do a complete 180 and change directions in the way that they handle athletics. They will still hire good coaches and try to win but you will see them work hard to improve their academic and arts programs. The adminstration has been waiting for the day that Coach Flatt and his regime retires so they can run the school like a true Prep school. Interesting take on the situation. Are you basing this on anything but your opinion? As someone pretty closely involved in the school, I feel certain that BA has no designs on "instructing everyone as to how things are going to be done". Our wish is that this thing a) would have never started and /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> would have been settled about 9.5 years ago. We just want it done. It would be nice to have things be the way they were pre lawsuit, but it won't happen. We just want to move on . . . As for the "180 degree turn . . . you've missed the boat. BA has a nationally recognised forensics team (competitive acting), a band program of 150+ (over 20% of the student body) one of the finest drama departments in the state (I encourage you to come see "Once Upon This Island" next weekend) and kids who are being accepted to Ivy's each year. Not sure how you missed it, but BA did the "180" about 10 years ago . . . It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. In the end, I find it interesting how little this has to do with BA or the TSSAA any more. It is a Free Speech argument with far reaching ramifications for a lot of groups -- we are all just small players in the drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnsddeveloper Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 This case is starting to get some serious press! Today's USA Today - Page 4A. Homepage of ESPN here: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/highschoo...tory?id=2840971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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