Temple

[dadoffour]

Again, it's the Holier-than-thou attitude that permeates most (not all) private school fans that make the publics not like you so much. That same Holier-than-thou attitude that Temple fans are using on here

 

I'm not sure what you mean by a "holier-than-thou attitude" that was displayed on this thread. Do you have an example?

[dadoffour]

Maybe Holier-than-thou wasn't the best phrase to use... Arrogance may have been a better choice... it's all the same to me... and many of you guys are full of it... Deny all you want. TTA got caught cheating and it had been happening for a long time. Bad things are going to happen to TTA because of a few individuals... most of which aren't even involved with TTA now.

 

Good post! Original, creative, specific. Wow!

[mcpoff]

I have to say, dadoffour, you asked for it.

[global98]

The reply of dadoffour is what many people believe is the general arrogant attitude that Temple chooses to display for all to see. It is unfortunate and will probably begin to change toward the end of this week.

[zonepirate]

It's not near what you all are making it out to be. Temple will get some type of probation and fines and will be hanging more banners real soon.

 

 

dadoffour, I got to hand it to you, you are certainly keeping a positive attitude as misguided as it may be. LOIC will be the charge that gets the program a suspension. Besides practice rules and tuition violations there will be recruiting violations, the CSAS kids being one instance.

 

read this from the TSSAA handbook and with what you know (and you are close to the situation) you have to know recruiting is an issue too.

 

Recruiting Rule

Guidelines For Understanding The "Recruiting Rule" and Understanding "What Is Undue Influence?"

1. The major theme of the "recruiting rule" is not "initial contact." The major theme is "exceeding what is normal and appropriate." Initial contact can be a violation, but is only one of many things that can exceed what is normal and appropriate.

 

2. One key is not treating "athletes" or "prospective athletes" any differently than students who are not athletes.

 

3. Students should be seen as students and not singled out based on their potential athletic ability.

 

4. Pre-arranged contact is seen in the same manner as initial contact.

 

5. Any student or family or individual that contacts a coach about attending a school where he/she coaches should be informed that they need to contact the principal, admissions department, or guidance department if they have an interest.

 

6. Any meeting with coaches regarding athletes or prospective athletes or their families should be at the request of the family to the individual(s) responsible for admissions and should take place at the school.

 

7. High school athletics is not the same as colleges recruiting high school athletes for college athletics. High school athletics exist for an entirely different reason. High school coaches should not view 12-, 13-, 14-year-old students in the same manner as college coaches view high school seniors.

 

8. Administrators and coaches must realize that they have more responsibilities than the general public to understand the purpose of high school athletics, the principles behind the TSSAA rules, etc., and to maintain a level of understanding and purpose when dealing with the general public and students.

1.

Q. What are some of the guides used in determining whether there has been undue influence used which would result in a violation of the recruiting rule?

A. Some examples are, but not limited to:

1. Providing of transportation or other inducement to any prospective student/athlete to take a qualifying examination at a school, meet with school officials, etc.

 

2. Discussion of financial aid based on need with any prospective student/athlete by any member of the coaching staff until the student has enrolled in school (attended 3 days of school). All financial aid questions should be referred to the principal or the person in charge of financial aid. If the person in charge of financial aid is a coach, prior approval must be granted by the Executive Director of TSSAA.

 

3. Any initial contact or prearranged contact by a member of the coaching staff or representative of the school and a prospective student/athlete enrolled in any member school except where there is a definite feeder pattern.

 

4. Any initial contact or prearranged contact by a member of the coaching staff or representative of the school and a prospective student/athlete in the seventh grade and above at any nonmember school except where there is a definite feeder pattern involving the schools.

Public high schools may contact public feeder schools (elementary, middle school, junior high school) where there is a definite feeder pattern. Private or parochial schools may contact private schools (elementary, middle school, junior high school) where there is a definite feeder pattern.

 

Private or parochial schools may not contact students enrolled at the public schools. Public schools may not contact students enrolled at the private schools.

5. Any contact between a member of the coaching staff or representative of the school and prospective student/athletes prior to, during, or after contests at elementary schools, middle schools, and junior high schools except where there is a definite pattern.

 

6. A member school is prohibited from giving any item with school advertisement (shirts, pennants, caps, jackets, etc.)

 

7. Admitting students to athletic contests free of charge where there is an admission being charged at the contest except where there is a definite feeder pattern involved with the school.

 

8. The offer or acceptance of remuneration or consideration for work in excess of the amount regularly paid for such service.

2.

Q. How is undue influence interpreted in the recruiting rule?

A. A person or persons exceeding what is appropriate or normal and offering an incentive or inducement to a student with or without an athletic record.

3.

Q. What is the penalty for violation of the recruiting rule?

A. Violation of the recruiting rule shall cause the student to be ineligible at the school in violation, and a penalty shall be placed against the school.

4.

Q. Is it permissible for a coach to contact a student or his/her parents prior to his enrollment in the school?

A. No, a coach may not contact a student or his/her parents prior to his enrollment in the school. This shall apply to all students whether or not they have an athletic record.

5.

Q. What is allowed by member schools in contacting prospective students?

A. A representative of the school may meet with students at a school that is defined as a feeder school or meet with students who are zoned to attend that school the following year. This visit must be cleared by the principals of both schools.

[Grace Golden Eagles]

ZP, when's the next installment in the TFP?

[zonepirate]

From this article -"While public-school coaches continue to be suspicious of their private-school counterparts about recruiting, the finger pointing does not end there. A poll of Chattanooga-area coaches shows there is distrust among public schools about each other. Of 26 area public-school coaches asked, 20 stated that recruiting is one of their biggest concerns."It's a huge problem," Howard coach Alvin Tarver said. "It happens all the time. I've had kids tell me that certain schools have contacted them, and that's both private and other public schools. You can easily sell a kid a dream, and the problem is a lot of these coaches know kids in single-parent homes are very vulnerable and they prey on that."There are some coaches just trying to protect their job by getting the best players, and they really don't care about the kid at all. They're just using the kid because he's a good athlete."So hate all private schools because you think Temple cheated but . . .

I actually like some private schools, my kids even went to one for a couple of years (which I still follow) and my son went to the McCallie camps for several years. I know some public schools recruit and cheat too and I wish they would all get caught just the same as Temple did. Private schools have to recruit students just to survive but the drive to have great sports programs makes it too easy for them to cross the line.

ZP, when's the next installment in the TFP?

Haven't heard. Ball is in the TSSAAs hands now. I believe other schools, public and private, may get some looks too.

[dadoffour]

The reply of dadoffour is what many people believe is the general arrogant attitude that Temple chooses to display for all to see. It is unfortunate and will probably begin to change toward the end of this week.

 

Again, I think what some of you people want is for Temple fans to come on here and break down crying, asking forgiveness for all the ways we've wronged the world and to denounce the school forever. It's simply not going to happen. I hate it that Temple may have broken some rules, but I've still got pride in the school and am optimistic for it's future. Call it arrogance, denial, whatever you want. I call it loyalty.

[dadoffour]

I have to say, dadoffour, you asked for it.

 

You're right mcpoff, I walked right into that one. But if Purple Boy is going to keep calling Temple fans names I'm going to challenge him to be a little more creative. It's not very entertaining to us for him to just keep cutting and pasting his previous posts.

[Bighurt]

I actually like some private schools, my kids even went to one for a couple of years (which I still follow) and my son went to the McCallie camps for several years. I know some public schools recruit and cheat too and I wish they would all get caught just the same as Temple did. Private schools have to recruit students just to survive but the drive to have great sports programs makes it too easy for them to cross the line.

 

I agree. Private or public. If they cheat, I hope they get caught and punished.

[Eaglemaniac]

Yep... This would be an example of arrogance. Thanks for being so helpful!

 

 

Correction....TEMPLE WAS ARROGANT...why? because the won all the time...they beat bigger and supposedly better schools....in basketball and last year in football however, they are eating humble pie because they employ idiots and now they are getting beat by SAS and will have a defeated year in football and won't get out of their region in basketball...yet the ARROGANT WAS THE PAST-- HUMILIATION IS THE FUTURE!!!!

[Grace Golden Eagles]

Correction....TEMPLE WAS ARROGANT...why? because the won all the time...they beat bigger and supposedly better schools....in basketball and last year in football however, they are eating humble pie because they employ idiots and now they are getting beat by SAS and will have a defeated year in football and won't get out of their region in basketball...yet the ARROGANT WAS THE PAST-- HUMILIATION IS THE FUTURE!!!!

 

You're obnoxious