AFTER 4 LOSING SEASON SHOULD A SCHOOL OF 2000 STUDENT BE ABLE TO OPT OUT OF REGION IN FOOTBALL

[Indian]

I agree, a tad, when you have a Wartburg at 5-44 the past five years in 2A, Cannon County 4-45 in 3A, Community 12-38 in 2A, Sullivan Central 6-43 in 4A, Sheffield 5-44 in 3A, Portland 8-43 in 4A. Give them the option to move down one class for two years, if they hit .500 either year they move back up. If they're still batting in the .200 range or worse they can move down again after two more years.

[boyfromsi]

5 hours ago, haweanbula said:

No, absolutely not. We have 6 Division 1 Classifications and 3 Division II classifications right now. 9 State Championship Gold Balls are played for every year. The top 4 from every region go to the playoffs.

Let's do some math.  

8 Regions at each classification, Top 4 Playoffs, 6 Classification in Division 1. 

8 x 4 = 32

32 x 6 = 192 teams in the playoffs come round 1 in Division 1!!!
 

There are currently 297 High Schools participating in Division 1

192/297 = .646

.646 x 100 = 64.6%

or Approximatley 65% of the schools that play Division 1 get in the playoffs.... This is more than fair. 

 

Let's not count the fact there are 43 playoff spots for the 3 Division II classifications. 

If your schools is going 0-10, 1-9 season after season after season. Then schedule 4-5 non-conference games you can win. Or drop out of TSSAA play independent and schedule 8-10 cupcake games that you can win. Build your program up and reenter TSSAA.

Hey, look at what Kerr is doing at Union County. There were 3 teams on that schedule that Kerr knew he could beat and the kids over there are having the time of their life. Attendance and everything is way up. They have new uniforms. Union County won not counting this year won like maybe 5 games since 2012. Am I saying they are going to be playoff contenders in a couple years... No, I'm not saying that but part of rebuilding or building a struggling program is making sure you as a coach schedule teams that you can have success about build a little buzz and excitement and get other kids to come out. Who knows maybe in 2-3 years Kerr takes union county to a 4th seed playoff spot. I know one thing Union County is doing right now. Taking a defeatist attitude and asking to move down. 

Well written and a good solution for a school to put themselves in a position to have a viable program that kids want to play in.

[madmolly]

2 hours ago, Indian said:

Losing seasons, not necessarily, some teams can have some bad luck or be in a good region and drop to 4-6, but maybe if there are four or five seasons of winning few games they could be moved down one class. Cannon would be the example in this region. If they go down to 2A and still don't win, go down to 1A. If they don't win in 1A opt out of region play or reconsider the need for a program.

Once they hit .500 in either of two seasons moved down, they move back up a class.

Coaching is the key and should be  looked at in cannon situation. But will continue to be bad if no change is coming. Dont know how many games a good coach could win but in three years people would have to really play to beat you. But it takes the right kind of people to turn any program around.

[Red Rebels]

No. This isn't the English Premier League. 

 

In sports leagues, promotion and relegation is a process where teams are transferred between two divisions based on their performance for the completed season. The best-ranked teams in the lower division are promoted to the division above, and the worst-ranked teams in the higher division are relegated to the division below. In some leagues play-offs or qualifying rounds are also used to determine rankings. This process can continue through several levels, with teams being exchanged between levels 1 and 2, levels 2 and 3, levels 3 and 4, and so on. During the season, teams that are high enough in the table that they would qualify for promotion are sometimes said to be in the promotion zone, and those at the bottom are in the relegation zone (or, colloquially, the drop zone).^[1][2]

The number of teams exchanged between the divisions is normally identical. Exceptions occur when the higher division wishes to change the size of its membership, or has lost one or more of its clubs (to financial insolvency, for example) and wishes to restore its previous membership size, in which case fewer teams may be relegated from that division, or more accepted for promotion from the division below. Such variations will almost inevitably cause a "knock-on" effect through the lower divisions. For example, in 1995 the Premier League voted to reduce its numbers by two and achieved the desired change by relegating four teams instead of the usual three, whilst allowing only two promotions from Football League Division One.

The system is said to be the defining characteristic of the "European" form of professional sports league organization. Promotion and relegation have the effect of allowing the maintenance of a hierarchy of leagues and divisions, according to the relative strength of their teams. They also maintain the importance of games played by many low-ranked teams near the end of the season, which may be at risk of relegation. In contrast, a low-ranked US or Canadian team's final games serve little purpose, and in fact losing may be beneficial to such teams, yielding a better position in the next year's draft.

[Indian]

Riots, the language is unnecessary. We can agree to disagree on here. Thanks.

[Indian]

1 hour ago, Red Rebels said:

No. This isn't the English Premier League. 

 

In sports leagues, promotion and relegation is a process where teams are transferred between two divisions based on their performance for the completed season. The best-ranked teams in the lower division are promoted to the division above, and the worst-ranked teams in the higher division are relegated to the division below. In some leagues play-offs or qualifying rounds are also used to determine rankings. This process can continue through several levels, with teams being exchanged between levels 1 and 2, levels 2 and 3, levels 3 and 4, and so on. During the season, teams that are high enough in the table that they would qualify for promotion are sometimes said to be in the promotion zone, and those at the bottom are in the relegation zone (or, colloquially, the drop zone).^[1][2]

The number of teams exchanged between the divisions is normally identical. Exceptions occur when the higher division wishes to change the size of its membership, or has lost one or more of its clubs (to financial insolvency, for example) and wishes to restore its previous membership size, in which case fewer teams may be relegated from that division, or more accepted for promotion from the division below. Such variations will almost inevitably cause a "knock-on" effect through the lower divisions. For example, in 1995 the Premier League voted to reduce its numbers by two and achieved the desired change by relegating four teams instead of the usual three, whilst allowing only two promotions from Football League Division One.

The system is said to be the defining characteristic of the "European" form of professional sports league organization. Promotion and relegation have the effect of allowing the maintenance of a hierarchy of leagues and divisions, according to the relative strength of their teams. They also maintain the importance of games played by many low-ranked teams near the end of the season, which may be at risk of relegation. In contrast, a low-ranked US or Canadian team's final games serve little purpose, and in fact losing may be beneficial to such teams, yielding a better position in the next year's draft.

Why not? Is school size a must when determining classes, especially when it doesn't seem to matter in a lot of cases (Alcoa, or on the other end Antioch). 

[riots]

THANK YOU BISHOP ,,iNDIAN

[Indian]

Cursing is prohibited in the website rules. Thanks.

[midtnmale]

27 minutes ago, riots said:

THANK YOU BISHOP ,,iNDIAN

Perhaps you, Bishop, and Indian can get your respective teams to form a three-team league. Then the three teams can take turns being league champion every third year. That way every team will have been a champion at least once every four years.

[Indian]

The team I support wouldn't drop. It would probably be just a relatively small number eligible and some would decline. A few teams winning a game or two a year more won't affect state titles.

Edited October 27, 2017 by Indian

[tradertwo]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 4:59 PM, riots said:

NO, BUT WHY KEEP LETTING THE OAKLANDS AND MARYVILLES  KEEP KICKING YOUR AZ

AND YOU CANT WIN BUT 2 GAMES A YEAR, HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR ANY KID. BASICLLY YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO ACCEPT LOSING AS A OPTION, KNOWING THAT THEY ARE PLAYING OUT OF THEIR LEAGUE.

YOU ARE NOT QUITTING YOU ARE JUST AJUSTING TO YOUR LEVEL, OF COMPETION.

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MR. IT OK FOR REPUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN REGION 3 6A AND LOSE

50 TO 0 EVERY WEEK

 

You ask "how is that good for any kid?" to win two games a year, when they are in a region with like sized teams? I don't like to answer a question with another question, but I'll do it this time anyway...what message are you sending those kids when you ask to be moved to a lower classification (where you'd have an advantage over everyone else), in order to win more games without getting any better? Work as hard as the other schools, fans support the teams, and accept the responsibility to improve yourselves instead of replacing opponents with lesser, inferior competition. Your position on this issue is what's wrong with our youth now...teaching that hard work and honest effort pays dividends, and that there's no shame in losing if you gave everything you have is being replaced with the"everyone gets a trophy" mentality, where hard work and effort are useless.

[Indian]

For whatever reason(s) the size advantage hasn't helped those teams at least lately in most of their non league games, and for a few teams they can barely be over the cutoff so not much larger at all than the ones they'd move down with. I'd make it temporary, if they can finish .500 or better either two years, maybe .500 for two years together, they move back up. In most cases they'd probably still be the underdog against most opponents , slightly more enrollment would be a potential advantage but definitely unproven. It's more about removing them from matchups where they get overwhelmed frequently than them being better than the new opponents.

If you asked players, fans, and coaches of teams beating groups like this by 40 and 50 points each week, they probably don't like them on the schedule too much either. Boredom and sloppy play results from them at times. 

 

Edited October 28, 2017 by Indian