Blackman

[Vol9093]

Another way to put it, how many Championships does Oakland win if the roles were reversed? If Creasy is the HC at Blackman, and Oakland was coached by the combination of Watson, Hartsfield, and Tygard?

[GoPats2019]

3 minutes ago, Vol9093 said:

Another way to put it, how many Championships does Oakland win if the roles were reversed? If Creasy is the HC at Blackman, and Oakland was coached by the combination of Watson, Hartsfield, and Tygard?

If Oakland has Stephen Jackson as DC, I like their chances. 

[Vol9093]

8 minutes ago, GoPats2019 said:

If Oakland has Stephen Jackson as DC, I like their chances. 

You're right. I should have said if the entire coaching staffs switched teams. 

[jhawk23]

Jackson would have gone wherever Creasy did. Followed him from Trousdale County

[arshad221]

51 minutes ago, Vol9093 said:

Just my opinion, but if Creasy was the coach at Blackman instead of Oakland, the past seven years, then Blackman would've won 3 State Championships. 

Blackman talent was cut in half due to Rockvale I don’t think creasy would be cooking 

[MidTennFootball]

It's interesting to think about. For a long time, Blackman was where you went if you were a great tailback. They had some great ones. Tygard, Hartsfield and Watson are good HC's, they're just not at Creasy's level IMO, which is made even more difficult when he had a great DC like Stephen Jackson.

It usually takes a program 3-4 yrs to get it's feet back under solid ground when a new school opens in their area. There was a time where I thought Siegel opening would be the death of Oakland football. Probably won't be fun for Riverdale if they ever build a Christiana HS

[DawgsBDP]

11 hours ago, MidTennFootball said:

It's interesting to think about. For a long time, Blackman was where you went if you were a great tailback. They had some great ones. Tygard, Hartsfield and Watson are good HC's, they're just not at Creasy's level IMO, which is made even more difficult when he had a great DC like Stephen Jackson.

It usually takes a program 3-4 yrs to get it's feet back under solid ground when a new school opens in their area. There was a time where I thought Siegel opening would be the death of Oakland football. Probably won't be fun for Riverdale if they ever build a Christiana HS

Agree 100%
 

 

[DawgsBDP]

11 hours ago, arshad221 said:

Blackman talent was cut in half due to Rockvale I don’t think creasy would be cooking 

Rockvale got the entire south side of 96, which is all of the apartments. So much talent went to Rockvale. 

However, Creasey has got Jordan James, Isaiah Horton, Joseph Anderson, Jordan Brown, Kade Hewitt, Tt Hill, Qb And CB from Indiana and KY, the Nashville christian RB, virtually his best players are through the transfer portal. The only stud the have who came through their youth program is his son, and Hill, but even he started at Blackman youth. Creasey could win a state at any RUCO school. 

The guy is a heck of a coach, but your need ‘jimmy’s and joe’s more then x’s and o’s’ 

[GoPats2019]

14 hours ago, arshad221 said:

Blackman talent was cut in half due to Rockvale I don’t think creasy would be cooking 

While it has been 9yrs, I honestly think Stewarts Creek opening hurt Blackman more than Rockvale. 

[GoPats2019]

14 hours ago, MidTennFootball said:

There was a time where I thought Siegel opening would be the death of Oakland football. 

Siegel's opening certainly affected boys basketball, baseball and softball. 

[MidTennFootball]

6 hours ago, DawgsPBS said:

Rockvale got the entire south side of 96, which is all of the apartments. So much talent went to Rockvale. 

However, Creasey has got Jordan James, Isaiah Horton, Joseph Anderson, Jordan Brown, Kade Hewitt, Tt Hill, Qb And CB from Indiana and KY, the Nashville christian RB, virtually his best players are through the transfer portal. The only stud the have who came through their youth program is his son, and Hill, but even he started at Blackman youth. Creasey could win a state at any RUCO school. 

The guy is a heck of a coach, but your need ‘jimmy’s and joe’s more then x’s and o’s’ 

No doubt they've benefited from transfers. Way I see it, just karma correcting itself after losing so much talent to the Nashville privates over the years. That said, you can't run the ball if you can't block and most of Oakland's linemen have been homegrown, as well as their defense. Not sure Collins transferring made a great difference, Sparks never quite felt like a good fit for either side. Blows my mind that Hewitt wasn't even getting snaps at Riverdale at QB for the most part. Antonio Patterson was a homegrown, could argue that Oakland didn't even need Jordan James to win state in 2020 ( maybe 2021 as well)

In the last 5 years, Blackman has had more talent transfer in than Oakland, but has had their struggles. Talent gets you to the playoffs, but your gonna get exposed if that's all you rely on.  The results of Oakland's feeder programs speak for themselves. In a perfect world, everybody plays all 4 years at the school they started at, but that's not always gonna be the case, especially when your in a popular place to live like Rutherford and Williamson are

Edited February 10, 2023 by MidTennFootball

[MidTennFootball]

3 hours ago, GoPats2019 said:

Siegel's opening certainly affected boys basketball, baseball and softball. 

Boys Basketball and Baseball in the short term faired pretty good, 2007 could have just as easily resulted in titles for both. Long term, Siegel opening def hurt both, baseball more than basketball