best football in TN is where?

[GWAVE1]

51 minutes ago, cbg said:

Texas playing better high school football than Tennessee has nothing to do with the population base in Texas being much larger.  A larger population base would produce more athletes but that has nothing to do with resources and coaching.  The facts are that Texas places more emphasis on high school football and the coaching at the high school level than Tennessee and its not even close.  At most of the larger Texas high schools the head coach does not teach any classes.  The public schools are so good that very few private schools are good enough and do not compete with the public schools.  What most people don’t know about Texas is that the elected school boards set the tax rate for that school district.  In Tennessee the counties collect the property taxes and distribute the money to the school districts.  In Texas the school boards decide how much money they need and the money is paid directly to the school district.

Nobody is arguing Texas football is not better funded, organized, or popular.  The schools are larger and the population is bigger.  There is not a Texas school that will win any championship in Tn this year so why the comparison that we are all aware of?   We get it.  Tennessee teams are concerned about Tennessee teams because those are teams which you are ultimately judged by.  

[TryNotToSuck]

38 minutes ago, theawesomebro said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_metropolitan_area

I didnt make the rules.

 

Again, you're making my argument for me. You know the Nashville metropolitan area is the biggest in the state. It also helps when you have 3 interstate systems all joining together in downtown Nashville.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_metropolitan_area 13 counties are considered "Nashville metropolitan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_metropolitan_area 9 counties are considered "Knoxville metropolitan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattanooga_metropolitan_area#:~:text=The Chattanooga%2C TN-GA metropolitan,by the city of Chattanooga. 6 counties are considered "Chattanooga Metropolitan" 3 of those 6 are counties in Georgia. So who cares about them from a football perspective because they don't play football in Tennessee?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_metropolitan_area 8 counties are considered "Memphis metropolitan." 1 county in Arkansas, and 4 more in Mississippi. Again, no one in Tennessee cares about Mississippi and Arkansas High School football because they aren't playing in Tennessee. And what sucks about Memphis is that Arkansas can't really build any buildings and homes on their side of the Mississippi River because that stretch of land is a flood plane. It's not like Cincinnati where there are cities on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River.

Again, you may not "make the rules" but this is similar as to someone saying, "whose going to win the 3A State Title in Tennessee?" When we all know the answer...

[thegreatone36]

The "middle region" of Tennessee has more population. Is that better? You keep saying that Clarksville, Boro, Sumner, Williamson, Wilson, etc aren't Davidson/Nashville, but they ARE considered Middle TN. There quite simply is overall much more population in Mid compared to East, so over time I don't see how East is going to keep up less than half the population. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by thegreatone36

[MidTennFootball]

4 hours ago, Navy21412 said:

Feels to me like overall, pound for pound, it's the Knoxville area...no real hard data to back that up, just thinking about the success of Maryville, Alcoa, Fulton, etc over a long period of time...

One area that is a head scratcher to me is Williamson County.  No one is benefitting more from the growth in Middle TN than Williamson County.  They have highly competitive youth sports leagues, including most of all football.  Tons of money, tons of former and current NFL players living there, tons of support...but lack the hardware that you would think they would have.

Rutherford County isn't what it used to be.  Maybe there is cause and effect, that different RuCo teams that lost for so many years to Maryville in the playoffs.  Now there is one dominant team that is beating Maryville consistently, but the overall level of competition is down from what it was when Smyrna, LaVergne, Blackman, Riverdale and Oakland were all competing against each other....

D2-AAA in the Nashville area is going to be the best assemblage of teams in the state over the next several years....BA, MBA, Ensworth, LA, and FRHS.  

Williamson County is one of these instances where there are alot of good programs that changes from year to year but not a truly dominant one like you'd see in Rutherford or Blount. Not that long ago that Ravenwood won a title over Maryville, Indy in the last 10 years as well

Rutherford Co is better than it gets credit for just because Oakland makes it look easy. Blackman and Riverdale both have been really solid. Siegel has been making good progress under Renshaw and so is Rockvale.

Bunch of solid playoff caliber programs reside in RuCo/Murfreesboro, but the coaching staff Oakland has is just on another level, much like it was for Maryville under GQ. One day the pendulum will swing into another direction. 20 years ago, it was Riverdale that was the juggernaut. 20 years from now, it will be someone else

Edited July 26, 2023 by MidTennFootball

[SLBK]

4 hours ago, Navy21412 said:

Feels to me like overall, pound for pound, it's the Knoxville area...no real hard data to back that up, just thinking about the success of Maryville, Alcoa, Fulton, etc over a long period of time...

One area that is a head scratcher to me is Williamson County.  No one is benefitting more from the growth in Middle TN than Williamson County.  They have highly competitive youth sports leagues, including most of all football.  Tons of money, tons of former and current NFL players living there, tons of support...but lack the hardware that you would think they would have.

Rutherford County isn't what it used to be.  Maybe there is cause and effect, that different RuCo teams that lost for so many years to Maryville in the playoffs.  Now there is one dominant team that is beating Maryville consistently, but the overall level of competition is down from what it was when Smyrna, LaVergne, Blackman, Riverdale and Oakland were all competing against each other....

D2-AAA in the Nashville area is going to be the best assemblage of teams in the state over the next several years....BA, MBA, Ensworth, LA, and FRHS.  

In the last 10 years Independence, Ravenwood, and Summit have all won a state championship. Ravenwood, Brentwood &Summit have also been runners up. Page has 2 silver balls in the last 2 years, Nolensville has been to 2 semifinals recently. I think overall Williamson County is doing ok. 

[MJGOLDENBEARS]

2 hours ago, thegreatone36 said:

The "middle region" of Tennessee has more population. Is that better? You keep saying that Clarksville, Boro, Sumner, Williamson, Wilson, etc aren't Davidson/Nashville, but they ARE considered Middle TN. There quite simply is overall much more population in Mid compared to West, so over time I don't see how East is going to keep up less than half the population. 

It turns into an argument where bias opinions  take center stage… and there just happens to be many more East Tn posters on here… so it makes sense

Edited July 27, 2023 by MJGOLDENBEARS

[RichyRich]

8 hours ago, ILB1999 said:

I know you think that map proves your point, but if you look at the numbers, it really doesn't.

 i live in east Tennessee  we are growing but at a much slower rate than middle Tennessee literally look at the nashville surrounding areas that have boomed. Spring hill went from around 1000 people in 1990 to over 50,000 In 2020 there isn't a single place in east Tennessee that has grown that fast. East tn towns generally grow by about 10% middle Tennessee towns are growing at 30% rate or better don't know why you are so jacked out of shape about it. Sadly west Tennessee is shrinking 

Edited July 27, 2023 by RichyRich

[cbg]

27 minutes ago, RichyRich said:

 i live in east Tennessee  we are growing but at a much slower rate than middle Tennessee literally look at the nashville surrounding areas that have boomed. Spring hill went from around 1000 people in 1990 to over 50,000 In 2020 there isn't a single place in east Tennessee that has grown that fast. East tn towns generally grow by about 10% middle Tennessee towns are growing at 30% rate or better don't know why you are so jacked out of shape about it. Sadly west Tennessee is shrinking 

West Tennessee should begin to grow when the new Ford F-150 electric truck plant opens in Stanton which is about 45 miles outside of Memphis.  That plant will be a real shot in the arm for a once booming agricultural area.

[MidTennFootball]

1 minute ago, cbg said:

West Tennessee should begin to grow when the new Ford F-150 electric truck plant opens in Stanton which is about 45 miles outside of Memphis.  That plant will be a real shot in the arm for a once booming agricultural area.

Agreed, will also be interesting to track the enrollments of nearby high schools once it does open. Gonna see a few of them jump up a class maybe 2

[TryNotToSuck]

1 hour ago, MidTennFootball said:

Agreed, will also be interesting to track the enrollments of nearby high schools once it does open. Gonna see a few of them jump up a class maybe 2

It'll benefit Haywood and Fayette-Ware as they could very well move up to 5A. Both schools are in the 800's in enrollment, so they'll need around 320 students each to move up to 5A, assuming the numbers will stay around the same. Brighton and Munford will need around 400 students each to move up to 6A. 

Covington will likely move up because they're only around 30-40 students shy of reaching 4A, which will be great for them and West Tennessee football. Don't think it'll impact Jackson schools as much as people believe it will because Jackson and the Ford plant is 40 miles away. The Memphis suburbs schools like Arlington and Germantown are around 20-25 miles away. However, the majority of the Memphis suburb schools are 6A already. They're all comfortably in 6A as well. The two largest schools in Tennessee are Collierville and Bartlett, and Cordova is the 10th largest school.

For private: Fayette Academy should be the biggest benefit from this, but honestly, they need a new school. 

[MidTennFootball]

3 minutes ago, TryNotToSuck said:

It'll benefit Haywood and Fayette-Ware as they could very well move up to 5A. Both schools are in the 800's in enrollment, so they'll need around 320 students each to move up to 5A, assuming the numbers will stay around the same. Brighton and Munford will need around 400 students each to move up to 6A. 

Covington will likely move up because they're only around 30-40 students shy of reaching 4A, which will be great for them and West Tennessee football. Don't think it'll impact Jackson schools as much as people believe it will because Jackson and the Ford plant is 40 miles away. The Memphis suburbs schools like Arlington and Germantown are around 20-25 miles away. However, the majority of the Memphis suburb schools are 6A already. They're all comfortably in 6A as well. The two largest schools in Tennessee are Collierville and Bartlett, and Cordova is the 10th largest school.

For private: Fayette Academy should be the biggest benefit from this, but honestly, they need a new school. 

Good point about Covington. Assuming Haywood moves up, they'd have a pretty favorable path to the semis each year

[ILB1999]

14 hours ago, thegreatone36 said:

The "middle region" of Tennessee has more population. Is that better? You keep saying that Clarksville, Boro, Sumner, Williamson, Wilson, etc aren't Davidson/Nashville, but they ARE considered Middle TN. There quite simply is overall much more population in Mid compared to West, so over time I don't see how East is going to keep up less than half the population. 

Keep up?  per capita middle tn needs to catch up...