Clay County Basketball

[senator]

you are not seeing the whole picture mvp is not a scoring contest, one player can score 30 a game play no denfence and turn the ball over and he's a liability to his team. Cassetty was a much more complete player and involved his teammates to make them better and did not try to be a one man show. A year later Wright was more mature and got mvp and deserved it, the coaches got it right both years. Now Upchurch is a great kid and a good player so is Garrett but how they use thier talent to make their team better should be a factor and not just newspaper stats that show scoring.

[7asuperfan]

you are not seeing the whole picture mvp is not a scoring contest, one player can score 30 a game play no denfence and turn the ball over and he's a liability to his team. Cassetty was a much more complete player and involved his teammates to make them better and did not try to be a one man show. A year later Wright was more mature and got mvp and deserved it, the coaches got it right both years. Now Upchurch is a great kid and a good player so is Garrett but how they use thier talent to make their team better should be a factor and not just newspaper stats that show scoring.

 

Wright scored 22 a game his junior year, usually guarded (and guarded well) one of the other teams best guards every night, was the point guard, team leader, averaged 7 something assists a game. Wright had like 2200 something points in his career, Cassetty probably had like 700 pts or something. That right their tells me who's better. Listen, I say do whatever your team calls for. Cassetty had to do whatever was best for his team, and his best was average at best, most certainly not mvp worthy. Play good point guard, protect the ball, get it to the shooters and play defense. But folks he only averaged like 5 assists a game. Now was he a bum who couldn't play ball or something?, no he was a good player. Wright's team needed him to score 20 or 25 a night, needed him to dish out 7 or 8 assists a game. That's a great player, an MVP player. Upchurch has to go out and score 25 or 30 a night for his team to even be within ten points of any other players team. I'm not making this a numbers game. But if say Garrett avg 10 pts, 8 boards a game, and Upchurch avg 26 pts and 8 boards a game, then I kinda see who is more deserving. Or a better example is this, you take those two players and you take them and their stats away from their teams, and who is hurting more? Obviously its Clarkrange. Clay Co without Garrett, they probably still win 7a this year, though its probably a lot closer. Clarkrange without Upchurch is worse than Hermitage Springs used to be. Same with Wright and Cassity two years ago. Jackson Co is probably no worse without Cassetty, which I think they proved last year when they made it to state without him. PC without Jacob Wright that year, isn't finishing 3rd in the district. Just something to think about. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to get coach's to make intelligent decisions. It's gonna be fun to watch both Upchurch and Garrett play this year......both are deserving of MVP as it stands right now.

[bob77]

Cassetty had over 1000 points, i was there when he broke it.

[UCSportsFan]

Wright scored 22 a game his junior year, usually guarded (and guarded well) one of the other teams best guards every night, was the point guard, team leader, averaged 7 something assists a game. Wright had like 2200 something points in his career, Cassetty probably had like 700 pts or something. That right their tells me who's better. Listen, I say do whatever your team calls for. Cassetty had to do whatever was best for his team, and his best was average at best, most certainly not mvp worthy. Play good point guard, protect the ball, get it to the shooters and play defense. But folks he only averaged like 5 assists a game. Now was he a bum who couldn't play ball or something?, no he was a good player. Wright's team needed him to score 20 or 25 a night, needed him to dish out 7 or 8 assists a game. That's a great player, an MVP player. Upchurch has to go out and score 25 or 30 a night for his team to even be within ten points of any other players team. I'm not making this a numbers game. But if say Garrett avg 10 pts, 8 boards a game, and Upchurch avg 26 pts and 8 boards a game, then I kinda see who is more deserving. Or a better example is this, you take those two players and you take them and their stats away from their teams, and who is hurting more? Obviously its Clarkrange. Clay Co without Garrett, they probably still win 7a this year, though its probably a lot closer. Clarkrange without Upchurch is worse than Hermitage Springs used to be. Same with Wright and Cassity two years ago. Jackson Co is probably no worse without Cassetty, which I think they proved last year when they made it to state without him. PC without Jacob Wright that year, isn't finishing 3rd in the district. Just something to think about. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to get coach's to make intelligent decisions. It's gonna be fun to watch both Upchurch and Garrett play this year......both are deserving of MVP as it stands right now.

 

 

Tyler Cassety had over 1000 points for us just for your info. If you think that just scoring points makes someone an MVP then you're sadly mistaken. I think you're smarter than that though. Tyler's defense was solid, he guarded Jacob Wright in the semi's of the region game and held him without a field goal the entire game. Tyler was VERY deserving of his MVP award as was Jacob last year. There are always the "intangibles" that go into the MVP award but its only an individual award. I bet if you asked both Tyler and Jacob they would gladly give back the piece of wood they got for it, and exchange it for a chance to play for a state championship at murphy center. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

[7asuperfan]

Ok, apparently i'm not making myself clear. I know that MVP is not souly the reason someone gets MVP, but if you look back over the years, name the MVP's, you'll find that if they did not lead the district in scoring, they were definitely in the top five. Listen, I'm not trying to take anything away from Tyler Cassety, guy was a good player, I played golf against him in high school, nice kid. But don't assume that Wright won or would have won the year prior because of only scoring. Wright meant as much or more to his team. Cassety's supporting cast was much better than Wright's, expect for probably TC Capps (when he could stay in ball games). Simply switch places with the two, Cassety on PC's team and they struggle to score points, Wright on JC's team and they might have won state. Look, Cassety was good at what he did on his team, and Wright was good at what he had to do for his team. 50% of it MVP numbers, you can mean everything to your team, and have awful numbers and get nothing. Sorry that I didn't know he scored a 1000 pts, my mistake. Listen I'm not trying to get in an argument over 2 or 3 years ago, that stuff is long gone, simply trying to use it for comparison. fanatic, I guarantee both of them would trade the hardware for a state tournament trophy. The whole thing about this is for the whole debate of who MVP should be this 2008/09 season. I personally think it should be Upchurch as of right now, given that he was the second best player in district 7 last year behind Wright. If Garrett's numbers and leadership prove me wrong then, ok. But we can't simply say Garrett gets it because his team wins district, because we know his supporting cast is much, much better than Upchurch's.

[senator]

you see your proving yourself wrong by talking the more you talk the less sesse you make if garrett has the best supporting cass then naturly he won't score as much because his teammates will score more, so by your therory if a team has 4 or 5 good players that score about the same then a bad team with one player that scores a lot of points because he shoots more than all his teamates should be mvp. NO WAY THE COACHES KNOW BETTER and they consider the entire game.

[UCSportsFan]

Ok, apparently i'm not making myself clear. I know that MVP is not souly the reason someone gets MVP, but if you look back over the years, name the MVP's, you'll find that if they did not lead the district in scoring, they were definitely in the top five. Listen, I'm not trying to take anything away from Tyler Cassety, guy was a good player, I played golf against him in high school, nice kid. But don't assume that Wright won or would have won the year prior because of only scoring. Wright meant as much or more to his team. Cassety's supporting cast was much better than Wright's, expect for probably TC Capps (when he could stay in ball games). Simply switch places with the two, Cassety on PC's team and they struggle to score points, Wright on JC's team and they might have won state. Look, Cassety was good at what he did on his team, and Wright was good at what he had to do for his team. 50% of it MVP numbers, you can mean everything to your team, and have awful numbers and get nothing. Sorry that I didn't know he scored a 1000 pts, my mistake. Listen I'm not trying to get in an argument over 2 or 3 years ago, that stuff is long gone, simply trying to use it for comparison. fanatic, I guarantee both of them would trade the hardware for a state tournament trophy. The whole thing about this is for the whole debate of who MVP should be this 2008/09 season. I personally think it should be Upchurch as of right now, given that he was the second best player in district 7 last year behind Wright. If Garrett's numbers and leadership prove me wrong then, ok. But we can't simply say Garrett gets it because his team wins district, because we know his supporting cast is much, much better than Upchurch's.

 

 

I'm in no way saying that Upchurch won't win it because in my book he is definitely one of the best players in our district , when it comes to scoring i too believe he will lead our district in that category. I have no idea how it will all play out, i know we are all chasing Clay Co. this year, but as has been the case the past two years the best "on paper" team didn't win the region, so who knows what can happen its still August! /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

[7asuperfan]

you see your proving yourself wrong by talking the more you talk the less sesse you make if garrett has the best supporting cass then naturly he won't score as much because his teammates will score more, so by your therory if a team has 4 or 5 good players that score about the same then a bad team with one player that scores a lot of points because he shoots more than all his teamates should be mvp. NO WAY THE COACHES KNOW BETTER and they consider the entire game.

 

 

Learn to use spell check first off. And here is what I'm saying. If Garrett is outscored by one or even two of his teammates, then no, he shouldn't get MVP. If there overall numbers besides scoring are better than his, then NO he shouldn't get MVP, his teammate or teammates and Upchurch should be inconsideration for it. Fanatic will know better than me, but were there some of Cassetty's teammates that had better numbers than he did? Like maybe Crowder? I have no clue that's why I'm asking. I think if you give it to a guy on the best team, it should atleast be the best player and leading scorer on that team. If Garrett averages 15pts and 10rebs a game, and Clay Co wins district, and say one of his teammates don't have better numbers, then sure, he deserves MVP, even if Upchurch averages like 23pts and 8rebs a game. Although I think if Upchurch has something like 23pts, 10rebs, and 6 or 7ast a game, then he deserves it hands down. Call this award whatever you want, but it deserves to go to the best player in the district, regardless of your teams finish. They should really change the name of the award to MTP (most talented player) or best player award, to get rid of the confusion. People say numbers have nothing to do with it....well I believe numbers are part (no all, but part) of the process of gauging a players talent. Sure leadership means something, but I think numbers and defense mean more to this award, not necessarily to the game. You want to consider the entire game, I think Upchurch plays better defense than Garrett, and is a better leader, so if his numbers are better.....to me, then he has beat Garrett in all three of the important categories. Notice I said better leader, Garrett is a good leader too, just think Upchurch is better.

[7asuperfan]

Fanatic, man its gonna be fun to watch, all these young schools chase the senior lead Clay Co. Jackson Co and PC are both gonna be real young. RBS and Monterey could easily be fighting over 2nd place with Clarkrange this year. Can't wait to see how things play out by the 2nd half of the 09/2010 season, when these young teams mature. District 7A is in good hands.

[UCSportsFan]

Fanatic, man its gonna be fun to watch, all these young schools chase the senior lead Clay Co. Jackson Co and PC are both gonna be real young. RBS and Monterey could easily be fighting over 2nd place with Clarkrange this year. Can't wait to see how things play out by the 2nd half of the 09/2010 season, when these young teams mature. District 7A is in good hands.

 

 

Its amazing how at the end of the year the gap closes between the first place team and the rest of the district. It will be huge this year to get the 1 or 2 seed in the district tourney as both get automatics to the region and for the first time in a long time there isn't much difference between #2 and #6 this year. I watched Monterey in camp this summer and they looked better than i have ever seen them. RBS will be much improved after playing with mostly freshman a year ago. Both JC and PC lost alot of great players and are in the rebuilding mode but both have alot of talent albeit young talent, but it won't take either of these two teams very long to rebuild. Clarkrange has a legit shot at the district title this year and should challenge Clay for that spot. Having said all that, and assuming Clay Co. is injury free this year, its still theirs to lose. Clay not only has some very good seniors but they have alot of depth as well. They've got a junior post player thats going to give people alot of problems this year. Outside of Robinson from JC i think he's the best post player in the district. If it was up to me we'd start playing tomorrow! /flower.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":flower:" border="0" alt="flower.gif" /> I see where JC and PC will have a "clash of the titans" football game here in a couple of weeks! As T.O. would say "getcha popcorn ready" it should be a barn burner! /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" />

[senator]

Fanatic, man its gonna be fun to watch, all these young schools chase the senior lead Clay Co. Jackson Co and PC are both gonna be real young. RBS and Monterey could easily be fighting over 2nd place with Clarkrange this year. Can't wait to see how things play out by the 2nd half of the 09/2010 season, when these young teams mature. District 7A is in good hands.

 

I taught finatic all he knows he just learned to spell better than me but we make good CENTS anyway or should that start with a S followed by a bunch of other letters, heck 7superfan your smart enough to figure out what I'm trying to say without every word being perfect now use a little common sents.

[BigDaddy_1]

I taught finatic all he knows he just learned to spell better than me but we make good CENTS anyway or should that start with a S followed by a bunch of other letters, heck 7superfan your smart enough to figure out what I'm trying to say without every word being perfect now use a little common sents.

 

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