TSSAA ED says fate of high school football unknown as of now

[Rerun92]

2 minutes ago, Salem said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

Two different ways to get more money from Covid. Medicare spending and there's a provision in the Paycheck Protection Program that pays money on top of that to hospitals with a certain number of Covid admissions. There's no denying there is an incentive to admitting Covid patients the debate is if it affects the diagnosis. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

Funny, this USATODAY report says the total is probably under reported.  Whereas, your article never says that the number of deaths are over-reported. 

 

Cool story though.

 

 

Don't you think if your theory were true that the president would be raising holy heck right now?

[sportsguy22]

In a few years, when the flu (which is worse for our young people by far) is running rampant again and killing thousands and thousands of our most vulnerable as it does so often, will all of you still be screaming about masks, suggesting the cancellation of sports, and panicked about the daily number tally count??

Edited July 6, 2020 by sportsguy22

[Rerun92]

14 minutes ago, sportsguy22 said:

In a few years, when the flu (which is worse for our young people by far) is running rampant again and killing thousands and thousands of our most vulnerable as it does so often, will all of you still be screaming about masks, suggesting the cancellation of sports, and panicked about the daily number tally count??

Can you tell me the last year that there were 130,000 flu deaths in the US?

[Rerun92]

Because I'm lookin, and I can't find a year over about 30,000.

[sportsguy22]

3 minutes ago, guthook said:

Can you tell me the last year that there were 130,000 flu deaths in the US?

Half of that total (if that is the honest figure which is very arguable since they include virtually everything as C-19 nowadays) sadly is from it running rampant through nursing homes and assisted living facilities! Horrible leadership and precaution measures in many places with our vulnerable population. Try sending the flu through all these facilities in a few years...the same will happen, if not worse! The flu hits the young people much harder, so where was all the medical experts in years past?! Shut it down, cancel sports, daily totals, etc.? Nobody is arguing that this is not contagious. It absolutely is. However, it's our reaction to it, like the unnecessary panic/fear that's widely spread that is so terrible. It's an election year, so everything is blown out of proportion unfortunately. Ask yourself two questions: if Obama was still our president, what would the media be reporting and how would they be reporting it?! Trust me, if Biden wins in November, we'll have the nation's biggest magic trick...this dangerous horrific virus will virtually disappear! Such a shame, but media/politics now shape our country and its attitude more than ever!

[RocketHouse]

11 minutes ago, guthook said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

Funny, this USATODAY report says the total is probably under reported.  Whereas, your article never says that the number of deaths are over-reported. 

 

Cool story though.

 

 

Don't you think if your theory were true that the president would be raising holy heck right now?

It's not my theory. The article I posted showed the financial incentive for hospitals (and doctors) to have more cases. If you read the entire article you will see they used 12 other sources to verify the information and an email from a surgeon from John Hopkins. For one of the first times in US medical history we have a huge financial incentive to code for a particular respiratory virus. 

We have one side arguing the number of deaths is over exagerrated and you posted a story claiming it is under reported. The only thing both sides agree on is the death totals are not accurate. 

Your Article: 

In New York City, the death toll increased by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday after officials revised counts to include people who were presumed to have had the virus even though the patients never tested positive.  

When people have underlying conditions in addition to COVID-19, physicians will make their best judgment call when declaring the underlying cause of death, he said.

[Rerun92]

1 minute ago, Salem said:

It's not my theory. The article I posted showed the financial incentive for hospitals (and doctors) to have more cases. If you read the entire article you will see they used 12 other sources to verify the information and an email from a surgeon from John Hopkins. For one of the first times in US medical history we have a huge financial incentive to code for a particular respiratory virus. 

We have one side arguing the number of deaths is over exagerrated and you posted a story claiming it is under reported. The only thing both sides agree on is the death totals are not accurate. 

Your Article: 

In New York City, the death toll increased by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday after officials revised counts to include people who were presumed to have had the virus even though the patients never tested positive.  

When people have underlying conditions in addition to COVID-19, physicians will make their best judgment call when declaring the underlying cause of death, he said.

it is a theory.  The article you shared just said they got paid more.   If it were true, and there were proof, the president would be raising cain. If it were an actual thing in TN, the politicians would go berserk.  But it's not.  Legitimate conservatives are telling you the numbers are going up.  They're concerned.  

[Rerun92]

5 minutes ago, sportsguy22 said:

Half of that total (if that is the honest figure which is very arguable since they include virtually everything as C-19 nowadays) sadly is from it running rampant through nursing homes and assisted living facilities! Horrible leadership and precaution measures in many places with our vulnerable population. Try sending the flu through all these facilities in a few years...the same will happen, if not worse! The flu hits the young people much harder, so where was all the medical experts in years past?! Shut it down, cancel sports, daily totals, etc.? Nobody is arguing that this is not contagious. It absolutely is. However, it's our reaction to it, like the unnecessary panic/fear that's widely spread that is so terrible. It's an election year, so everything is blown out of proportion unfortunately. Ask yourself two questions: if Obama was still our president, what would the media be reporting and how would they be reporting it?! Trust me, if Biden wins in November, we'll have the nation's biggest magic trick...this dangerous horrific virus will virtually disappear! Such a shame, but media/politics now shape our country and its attitude more than ever!

You're still stuck in COVID is FLU mode.   Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?

[sportsguy22]

9 minutes ago, guthook said:

You're still stuck in COVID is FLU mode.   Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?

It's not the flu obviously. It's also very interesting to compare the two, and how both can kill thousands of people and affect hundreds of thousands, but one is treated so vastly different and reported so differently. Why is it more important? All lives matter I thought...but maybe not. The flu is much worse for high school athletes and their teams and it's not even close, which is why this argument is so relevant! Why weren't we calling for cancellations of games and seasons when the flu was tearing through individual teams?? Kids get sicker and it is very contagious. Makes no sense to single out one virus over the other...at the very least, they both should be treated the same for the high school kids. Can anyone answer why they are not treated the same?

[osunut2]

18 minutes ago, sportsguy22 said:

It's not the flu obviously. It's also very interesting to compare the two, and how both can kill thousands of people and affect hundreds of thousands, but one is treated so vastly different and reported so differently. Why is it more important? All lives matter I thought...but maybe not. The flu is much worse for high school athletes and their teams and it's not even close, which is why this argument is so relevant! Why weren't we calling for cancellations of games and seasons when the flu was tearing through individual teams?? Kids get sicker and it is very contagious. Makes no sense to single out one virus over the other...at the very least, they both should be treated the same for the high school kids. Can anyone answer why they are not treated the same?

I'll play along...

#1 - Because relatively speaking, we still know VERY little about the epidemiology/virology of this virus. That isn't even debatable, and yet people still want to debate that.

#2 - Because we do not yet have a treatment (or vaccine) for this virus. Laugh if you want, but we at least have a flu vaccine, and even if we don't "pick" the right one each year, it is remarkably effective at reducing the severity of the flu symptoms (especially in the elderly).

#3 - Because in the 21st century, we tend to do things differently, right, wrong, or indifferent. Influenza has been around for centuries; it wasn't discovered last year. The Spanish flu pandemic would have looked quite a bit different had it occurred this century.

Here's a [rhetorical] question, 22. So why weren't we all practicing good hygiene to begin with? Shouldn't we have been washing our hands during flu season last year? Shouldn't we stay home when we are sick (same for our kids)? My hope is that we ALL have learned to be a little more hygienic and self-aware, especially during cold and flu season.

Edited July 6, 2020 by osunut2

[Rerun92]

16 minutes ago, sportsguy22 said:

It's not the flu obviously. It's also very interesting to compare the two, and how both can kill thousands of people and affect hundreds of thousands, but one is treated so vastly different and reported so differently. Why is it more important? All lives matter I thought...but maybe not. The flu is much worse for high school athletes and their teams and it's not even close, which is why this argument is so relevant! Why weren't we calling for cancellations of games and seasons when the flu was tearing through individual teams?? Kids get sicker and it is very contagious. Makes no sense to single out one virus over the other...at the very least, they both should be treated the same for the high school kids. Can anyone answer why they are not treated the same?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

 

1300 cases total in TX daycares.  894 of the infected are adults.  That's how this is different.  You're right.  Flu can be bad for high school kids.  COVID can be real bad for adults, particularly as we get more and more cases.

[RocketHouse]

37 minutes ago, guthook said:

it is a theory.  The article you shared just said they got paid more.   If it were true, and there were proof, the president would be raising cain. If it were an actual thing in TN, the politicians would go berserk.  But it's not.  Legitimate conservatives are telling you the numbers are going up.  They're concerned.  

Asking you to read an entire article is not fair. Here are the Cliff Notes. 

The claim: Hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19, and on ventilators

words, words, words,... 

 

Our ruling: True

We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

Our fact-check sources

• The Spectator: "Hospitals get more to list patients as COVID-19 and three times as much if the patient goes on ventilator"
• The World Net Daily: "Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19"
• Snopes: "Is Medicare paying hospitals $13K for patients diagnosed with COVID-19, $39K for those on ventilators
• PolitiFact: "Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19"
• Kaiser Health News: "Estimated cost for treating the uninsured hospitalized with COVID-19"
• Factcheck.org: "Hospital Payments and the COVID-19 Death Count"
• Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act
• U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: "Guidance for Certifying Death Due to COVID-19"
• Verywellhealth.com: "How a DRG determines how much a hospital gets paid"
• American Hospital Association Special Bulletin
• American Hospital Association special bulletin.
• Email response from Marty Makary, a surgeon and professor of health policy and management at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.