White County best team in AAA

[tradertwo]

12 hours ago, maddams said:

Pretty sure that by rule, the entire family has to vacate the previous residence and move to the new one.  If they sold their house and moved to White County, LA has no leg to stand on.  It would be a certified changed of address with immediate eligibility.  If the family rented an apartment but kept their home in Livingston, she would not be eligible.  

I am understanding that rule correctly @tradertwo

I'm not the authority on that, but I can cite examples from memory that support exactly what you have described.

 The most memorable was two brothers transferring from Henry Co. to Perry Co. Mom got a better job at Linden (Perry Co,) at the hospital. Legit move to Linden and brothers enrolled at PC High. Rather than sell their house in Paris (Henry Co.) immediately, they returned on Saturdays to make repairs and improve the value of the house before selling. Mailing address, utilities, and listed work address reflected residence in Linden, but Perry County forfeited six games due to ineligible players because Mom still owned the Paris home. FWIW... Henry Co. corroborated the story, the whistleblower was a disgruntled PC parent whose son lost playing time.

 My knowledge of the subject is because of that particular ruling...I couldn't believe that such a "minor" infraction would result in such a major reaction from TSSAA, so I read and reread the bylaws and rules pertaining. If nothing has changed since 2011 or 2012, you are exactly right to the best of my knowledge. Sorry to tell you how to build a clock when you only asked what time it was, but now you know everything I think I know, and how I got there. 

[85warrior]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:03 PM, UCSportsFan said:

No they cut her from the team after last years altercation between her parents and another players parents. So they dismissed her from the team completely. Her family moved to an apartment in White County so she could go to school there. But LA coaches are trying to keep her from playing for White County. 

It's mind boggling to me that her previous coaches would be so petty and try to keep her from playing her senior year. She's gone from your school. Leave her alone and let her play elsewhere.

[pioneer42]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:55 PM, tradertwo said:

I'm not the authority on that, but I can cite examples from memory that support exactly what you have described.

 The most memorable was two brothers transferring from Henry Co. to Perry Co. Mom got a better job at Linden (Perry Co,) at the hospital. Legit move to Linden and brothers enrolled at PC High. Rather than sell their house in Paris (Henry Co.) immediately, they returned on Saturdays to make repairs and improve the value of the house before selling. Mailing address, utilities, and listed work address reflected residence in Linden, but Perry County forfeited six games due to ineligible players because Mom still owned the Paris home. FWIW... Henry Co. corroborated the story, the whistleblower was a disgruntled PC parent whose son lost playing time.

 My knowledge of the subject is because of that particular ruling...I couldn't believe that such a "minor" infraction would result in such a major reaction from TSSAA, so I read and reread the bylaws and rules pertaining. If nothing has changed since 2011 or 2012, you are exactly right to the best of my knowledge. Sorry to tell you how to build a clock when you only asked what time it was, but now you know everything I think I know, and how I got there. 

There was a situation in West TN several years ago where a kid transferred and TSSAA made sure the parents had all of their belongings out of House A. They never sold House A but had all their belongings out and was eligible. I know that for a fact. TSSAA is not going to rule a kid ineligible if a house isn't sold if all their family is out and their belongings or at least they didn't this one and TSSAA was involved. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by pioneer42

[pioneer42]

On 10/1/2024 at 8:49 PM, LadyCavsFan said:

Page 50.  Question 12 if you want even more specifics.

I think getting the furniture out is the main thing. Hard to live in House A if there furniture and everything is out. Also summer ball don't count so as far as TSSAA is concerned she has no record at White County. So who is to say they might be in process of getting their furniture out by start of Fall Camp?? JMO, but I think if they have their belongings out by then she will be eligible. The rule on page 17 about disciplinary action from previous school wouldn't apply to her unless she was in alternative school or in really bad trouble, IMO. Getting dismissed from a ball team and still being enrolled at the previous school wouldn't be enough to enforce the disciplinary rule, IMO.

Edited October 3, 2024 by pioneer42

[ReignMan]

I have only heard outside talk of this but it seems that this is a White Co school issue rather than TSSAA issue??

[tradertwo]

1 hour ago, ReignMan said:

I have only heard outside talk of this but it seems that this is a White Co school issue rather than TSSAA issue??

If it involves eligibility it's most defiantly a TSSAA issue, no matter how the "school" deals with it.

[85warrior]

I heard through the grapevine that it's another coach in our District that is challenging her playing at WCHS. Its just what i heard. 

It doesn't matter to me either way. We'll have a good season regardless.

Edited October 3, 2024 by 85warrior

[tradertwo]

11 hours ago, pioneer42 said:

I think getting the furniture out is the main thing. Hard to live in House A if there furniture and everything is out. Also summer ball don't count so as far as TSSAA is concerned she has no record at White County. So who is to say they might be in process of getting their furniture out by start of Fall Camp?? JMO, but I think if they have their belongings out by then she will be eligible. The rule on page 17 about disciplinary action from previous school wouldn't apply to her unless she was in alternative school or in really bad trouble, IMO. Getting dismissed from a ball team and still being enrolled at the previous school wouldn't be enough to enforce the disciplinary rule, IMO.

That's on the checklist. No mail, no utilities, no furniture, no family living there, no "selling the house" to family. I understand that the house may be kept if a tenant has residence there with utilities and mailing address in their name, but that's just my understanding and I'm not the authority to be answered to.

EDIT

The disciplinary rule is there to prohibit a player from transferring and playing at another school after the privilege has been denied at their current school for disciplinary reasons. Same argument could be made if her grades weren't good enough or she had missed too many days to play at her old school...you can't transfer and start with a clean slate.

Edited October 3, 2024 by tradertwo

[pioneer42]

2 hours ago, tradertwo said:

That's on the checklist. No mail, no utilities, no furniture, no family living there, no "selling the house" to family. I understand that the house may be kept if a tenant has residence there with utilities and mailing address in their name, but that's just my understanding and I'm not the authority to be answered to.

EDIT

The disciplinary rule is there to prohibit a player from transferring and playing at another school after the privilege has been denied at their current school for disciplinary reasons. Same argument could be made if her grades weren't good enough or she had missed too many days to play at her old school...you can't transfer and start with a clean slate.

According to section d of the link in this post "under disipline" based on my interpretation of this is when a student has been suspended or in alternative school. And discipline is removed when the student has reenrolled. I don't think this applies to this situation based on posts. If she was still enrolled in Livingston Academy, I don't think this applies to the player. I do know this that summer ball don't count in the summer and she shouldn't have a record at White County until day 1 of Fall Camp. If the parents moved out and has all their belongings in White County I don't see how a coach could protest it if she hadn't been suspended or unless there is another disciplinary rule that I hadn't read. I am not the authority on this either but I have had and seen situations with transfers. I am just giving my opinion. 

[King21]

4 hours ago, 85warrior said:

I heard through the grapevine that it's another coach in our District that is challenging her playing at WCHS. Its just what i heard. 

It doesn't matter to me either way. We'll have a good season regardless.

What a mess. 

[King21]

4 hours ago, 85warrior said:

I heard through the grapevine that it's another coach in our District that is challenging her playing at WCHS. Its just what i heard. 

It doesn't matter to me either way. We'll have a good season regardless.

Also on the last part: Jones, Clark, and Winningham are formidable by themselves. Add in Grasty, Selby, and the improvement of Fox and you have a very impressive team.

[tradertwo]

4 hours ago, pioneer42 said:

According to section d of the link in this post "under disipline" based on my interpretation of this is when a student has been suspended or in alternative school. And discipline is removed when the student has reenrolled. I don't think this applies to this situation based on posts. If she was still enrolled in Livingston Academy, I don't think this applies to the player. I do know this that summer ball don't count in the summer and she shouldn't have a record at White County until day 1 of Fall Camp. If the parents moved out and has all their belongings in White County I don't see how a coach could protest it if she hadn't been suspended or unless there is another disciplinary rule that I hadn't read. I am not the authority on this either but I have had and seen situations with transfers. I am just giving my opinion. 

"Disciplinary" is a term loosely used... if coach kicked her off the team because (whatever reason) you could apply it but may not be inserted into her record or file. If she had a disciplinary hearing with the Principal or some higher up administrator (Director of Schools, Judge, etc...) and her punishment was deemed to be losing her privilege to be on the team it would be a part of her academic record, and she would not be eligible at any other school who's a member of TSSAA.