Avoiding another Fayetteville

[Indian]

Some radical steps, but you'll always have violations whether intentional or unintentional when it relates to bus routes, zones, and transfers. 

1-Revamp classifications into rural and urban groups. Urban would include Davidson County and suburbs, Shelby, Hamilton, etc. Large county doesn't necessarily mean urban. Reason for this change: Lots of movement among these schools and their feeder schools, as compared to rural schools.  

2-End sitting out for transfers even when no change of address. Does it open up a race to "obtain" talent, sure, but it already goes on. Left out are students with no way of moving. Movement would be subject to local school board guideline but as far as the TSSAA, move at will as long as the student left the previous school in good standing/academics. 

3-Keep the Division II/private split. 

4-The "but" in all of that. Even with unlimited player movement, any school guilty of recruiting would get hammered, from postseason bans to elimination of the sport for the worst cases. That risk would be greater than any reward. Parents would be heavily encouraged not to do the work of the coaches in drawing in such players, also. If coaches know of it and don't put a stop to it, the hammer comes down. 

5-After a couple of years of results, realign the rural and urban classes by a combination of enrollment and success. Those schools that have been aided by player movement would likely face off. Those left behind for whatever reason, would face off. After a certain amount of time, do it again. 

[Crock1615]

interesting ideas.

a few questions about these ideas.

1 - would your urban and rural groups compete for separate state championships?

2- so the transfer policy would be like florida's is now.   free transferring for any reason.

4 - how to you prove recruiting?

[Indian]

 

1-yes

2-yes, as long as there weren't grade or behavior issues in the previous school. 

3-cell phone texts, etc. Hire a specific person to investigate valid complaints. 

[mrbigster]

1 hour ago, Indian said:

Some radical steps, but you'll always have violations whether intentional or unintentional when it relates to bus routes, zones, and transfers. 

1-Revamp classifications into rural and urban groups. Urban would include Davidson County and suburbs, Shelby, Hamilton, etc. Large county doesn't necessarily mean urban. Reason for this change: Lots of movement among these schools and their feeder schools, as compared to rural schools.  

2-End sitting out for transfers even when no change of address. Does it open up a race to "obtain" talent, sure, but it already goes on. Left out are students with no way of moving. Movement would be subject to local school board guideline but as far as the TSSAA, move at will as long as the student left the previous school in good standing/academics. 

3-Keep the Division II/private split. 

4-The "but" in all of that. Even with unlimited player movement, any school guilty of recruiting would get hammered, from postseason bans to elimination of the sport for the worst cases. That risk would be greater than any reward. Parents would be heavily encouraged not to do the work of the coaches in drawing in such players, also. If coaches know of it and don't put a stop to it, the hammer comes down. 

5-After a couple of years of results, realign the rural and urban classes by a combination of enrollment and success. Those schools that have been aided by player movement would likely face off. Those left behind for whatever reason, would face off. After a certain amount of time, do it again. 

Dont agree with this.Transfers not sitting out.Would kil smaller schools if u just open the door to go with no movesGreenfied and Gleason would lose players.Bruceton would lose players.LC been losing to Dyer Co and Dyersburg for years.If u just let them transfer,wont be many Single A schools field a team.Gleason only has 19 now.Let them go to Greenfield cause Greenfield may be better kills the program

[MidTennFootball]

1 hour ago, Indian said:

Some radical steps, but you'll always have violations whether intentional or unintentional when it relates to bus routes, zones, and transfers. 

1-Revamp classifications into rural and urban groups. Urban would include Davidson County and suburbs, Shelby, Hamilton, etc. Large county doesn't necessarily mean urban. Reason for this change: Lots of movement among these schools and their feeder schools, as compared to rural schools.  

2-End sitting out for transfers even when no change of address. Does it open up a race to "obtain" talent, sure, but it already goes on. Left out are students with no way of moving. Movement would be subject to local school board guideline but as far as the TSSAA, move at will as long as the student left the previous school in good standing/academics. 

3-Keep the Division II/private split. 

4-The "but" in all of that. Even with unlimited player movement, any school guilty of recruiting would get hammered, from postseason bans to elimination of the sport for the worst cases. That risk would be greater than any reward. Parents would be heavily encouraged not to do the work of the coaches in drawing in such players, also. If coaches know of it and don't put a stop to it, the hammer comes down. 

5-After a couple of years of results, realign the rural and urban classes by a combination of enrollment and success. Those schools that have been aided by player movement would likely face off. Those left behind for whatever reason, would face off. After a certain amount of time, do it again. 

Some good ideas in theory, but there is no way I'd trust the TSSAA to have this done right. We'd end up being like NJ where you have 15-20 state champions

[RocketHouse]

No way more rules will help this situation. Only way to eliminate this is to either:

1. All transfers must sit out 12 months or

2. All transfers are immediately eligible. 

3. Compromise. Every athlete gets one free transfer after 9th grade begins. He/she is immediately eligible at new school. All subsequent transfers must wait 12 months no matter the reason - no exceptions. 

[Indian]

27 minutes ago, MidTennFootball said:

Some good ideas in theory, but there is no way I'd trust the TSSAA to have this done right. We'd end up being like NJ where you have 15-20 state champions

3 rural champs, 3 urban champs (equal to six Division I now), then however Division II would be decided. 

[Indian]

33 minutes ago, mrbigster said:

Dont agree with this.Transfers not sitting out.Would kil smaller schools if u just open the door to go with no movesGreenfied and Gleason would lose players.Bruceton would lose players.LC been losing to Dyer Co and Dyersburg for years.If u just let them transfer,wont be many Single A schools field a team.Gleason only has 19 now.Let them go to Greenfield cause Greenfield may be better kills the program

If they want to go badly, chances are they're doing it anyway and risking their schools' playoff eligibility if it's underhanded. I don't think there would be mass movement. 

[rlh]

Rural 1a and 2a schools tend to win the Gold and or Silver balls now.  This Urban/Rural system as the potential to put giant rural schools like Franklin County, Shelbyville etc. into the mix with much smaller schools.

[Indian]

Mix would be roughly 1-450, 450 to 800, 800-1300. Only a few rural above that and they'd have to go with the urban schools, if they have 1500 to 2000 students and aren't successful it's on them. 

[Tide21]

everybody gets a trophy lol 

[Indian]

No, six, same as now.