Recruiting... the good, the bad & the ugly

[blazer1set]

No subject gets the dander flying (whatever that means) like "RECRUITING". 

   So here's the challenge I'm laying out to you guys.   Can anyone give empirical evidence of recruiting violations?   Not opinions, theories, guesses, I mean proof that we can all go out and see for ourselves.

[HTV]

I've asked the same question without getting any answers. 

And what most don't seem to understand that recruiting and playing an ineligible student are 2 totally different things. 

Edited October 18, 2021 by HTV

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

5 minutes ago, HTV said:

I've asked the same question without getting any answers. 

And what most don't seem to understand that recruiting and playing an ineligible student are 2 totally different things. 

I agree 100%. Most people don’t get the difference between the two. 

[Rerun92]

33 minutes ago, HTV said:

I've asked the same question without getting any answers. 

And what most don't seem to understand that recruiting and playing an ineligible student are 2 totally different things. 

They're both against the rules.  But proving an inelligble player is much easier than proving recruiting.

[DutchMantel]

5 hours ago, blazer1set said:

No subject gets the dander flying (whatever that means) like "RECRUITING". 

   So here's the challenge I'm laying out to you guys.   Can anyone give empirical evidence of recruiting violations?   Not opinions, theories, guesses, I mean proof that we can all go out and see for ourselves.

 

I don’t really think any public schools have ever been “caught” at recruiting. Lots have been accused but from what I’ve seen, most that get accused play within the gray area to gain a competitive advantage. Usually happens in open zoned districts, which most districts are now, and districts that have county and city systems operating in them. Now do I think it happens indirectly, yes, but very hard to prove unless caught red-handed. I am however very surprised that someone hasn’t got caught in today’s times with camera phones and txt messaging.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Poundtherock23

[Rerun92]

12 hours ago, Poundtherock23 said:

 

I don’t really think any public schools have ever been “caught” at recruiting. Lots have been accused but from what I’ve seen, most that get accused play within the gray area to gain a competitive advantage. Usually happens in open zoned districts, which most districts are now, and districts that have county and city systems operating in them. Now do I think it happens indirectly, yes, but very hard to prove unless caught red-handed. I am however very surprised that someone hasn’t got caught in today’s times with camera phones and txt messaging.

I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about...

 

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/08/11/oakland-football-probation-recruiting-tssaa/3349912001/

https://www.nashvillepost.com/tssaa-penalizes-mt-juliet-for-recruiting-violations/article_d7931909-6cd1-520a-afa9-31f48fbce0ef.html

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tssaa-recruiting-violation-leads-to-punishment-for-grundy-county-hs-football-program

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fhigh-school%2F2018%2F10%2F18%2Ftssaa-high-school-football-giles-county-must-forfeit-five-wins-ineligible-player%2F1680220002%2F

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2017%2F08%2F13%2Fdecade-ago-brentwood-academy-involved-another-big-legal-battle%2F559054001%2F

https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/12/investigation-finds-violations-clarksville-academy-baseball/99100782/

https://www.jacksonsun.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/02/08/peabody-high-school-tssaa-inquiry-restrictions-signing-day/316961002/

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/2015/07/16/tssaa-public-private-split-denied/30272185/

[Czar]

Powell had to forfeit 6 of their games in 2018 for playing ineligible player(s) that Matt Lowe recruited. This was well documented at the time. He is still one of the absolute worst in the East TN area for recruiting. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by FilmCzar

[DutchMantel]

24 minutes ago, Knoxemdown said:

I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about...

 

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/08/11/oakland-football-probation-recruiting-tssaa/3349912001/

https://www.nashvillepost.com/tssaa-penalizes-mt-juliet-for-recruiting-violations/article_d7931909-6cd1-520a-afa9-31f48fbce0ef.html

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tssaa-recruiting-violation-leads-to-punishment-for-grundy-county-hs-football-program

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fhigh-school%2F2018%2F10%2F18%2Ftssaa-high-school-football-giles-county-must-forfeit-five-wins-ineligible-player%2F1680220002%2F

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2017%2F08%2F13%2Fdecade-ago-brentwood-academy-involved-another-big-legal-battle%2F559054001%2F

https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/12/investigation-finds-violations-clarksville-academy-baseball/99100782/

https://www.jacksonsun.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/02/08/peabody-high-school-tssaa-inquiry-restrictions-signing-day/316961002/

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/2015/07/16/tssaa-public-private-split-denied/30272185/

Well some did there homework….I stand corrected 

[Rerun92]

8 minutes ago, Poundtherock23 said:

Well some did there homework….I stand corrected 

It was like a 2 minute google search.  Most of the ones i can recall from Knoxville were a while ago, but we've had our share too.

[MidTennFootball]

25 minutes ago, Knoxemdown said:

I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about...

 

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/08/11/oakland-football-probation-recruiting-tssaa/3349912001/

https://www.nashvillepost.com/tssaa-penalizes-mt-juliet-for-recruiting-violations/article_d7931909-6cd1-520a-afa9-31f48fbce0ef.html

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tssaa-recruiting-violation-leads-to-punishment-for-grundy-county-hs-football-program

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fhigh-school%2F2018%2F10%2F18%2Ftssaa-high-school-football-giles-county-must-forfeit-five-wins-ineligible-player%2F1680220002%2F

https://www.tennessean.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2017%2F08%2F13%2Fdecade-ago-brentwood-academy-involved-another-big-legal-battle%2F559054001%2F

https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/12/investigation-finds-violations-clarksville-academy-baseball/99100782/

https://www.jacksonsun.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/02/08/peabody-high-school-tssaa-inquiry-restrictions-signing-day/316961002/

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/2015/07/16/tssaa-public-private-split-denied/30272185/

I can't speak on the private schools, but most of these instances by public schools were acts of ignorance. In Oakland's case, a former assistant that couldn't keep his trap shut on social media. The punishments by the TSSAA reflect that. As far as I know, Giles Co is the only repeat offender.

As HTV said, there's a difference between intentionally recruiting a player and a student athlete that happens to be ineligible. 

[JohnnyUtah]

On 10/19/2021 at 9:25 AM, FilmCzar said:

Powell had to forfeit 6 of their games in 2018 for playing ineligible player(s) that Matt Lowe recruited. This was well documented at the time. He is still one of the absolute worst in the East TN area for recruiting. 

This isn't new that Powell has recruited players. Clark put down the foundation with his middle school handler who pulled from Central, West, Fulton and surrounding areas in the 90's. Hard to find a program that has not recruited in recent years that is why AD's like Jody Wright or even Clark now won't go after other schools because of their own closet being exposed. 

[blazer1set]

So does the TSSAA say publicly that recruiting will be dealt with just to make themselves look good, and then turn a blind eye to it?       Or are all the rumors of recruiting violations just that.... rumors?             What I was hoping to see in this thread is some EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, not vague references to "this school or that school has been recruiting for years..."

So how about it sports fans..... PROOF or RUMORS?

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