Powell vs. Rhea (5A Quarterfinal)

[keepitmoving]

5 minutes ago, HTV said:

Chop blocks are illegal.  Have been for a long time.  What most call a chop block is actually a cut block, which is totally different.  Being an Army Football supporter I hear about "chop blocks" all the time.  

He's the best explanation of a cut block that I have seen, and this is from a college football perspective.  I'm not sure if there are different rules for states that recognize NFHS rules.  

 

Read college football’s cut block rule. Here’s how to tell what’s allowed. - SBNation.com

Thanks HTV

[oridgecat]

4 minutes ago, KnoxVil said:

My understanding is they have to go immediately on a chop. Can’t pass set and then chop. WN will get chopped in this game. A lot! I remember a few years back when Rhea played OR with DM. DM got chopped a few times and called it a day. It is going to happen for sure.

yeah, between the tackles if you go straight to the knees it is perfectly legal.  I remember that OR vs. Rhea with Middleton.  He was playing D tackle, got chopped first three plays of the game.  He took himself out and said "F that I'm done".  He never played another snap of defense for Miner.  lol

[HTV]

3 minutes ago, KnoxVil said:

Chop/cut are all the same to me but I do understand what you are saying.

 

3 minutes ago, oridgecat said:

yeah, between the tackles if you go straight to the knees it is perfectly legal.  I remember that OR vs. Rhea with Middleton.  He was playing D tackle, got chopped first three plays of the game.  He took himself out and said "F that I'm done".  He never played another snap of defense for Miner.  lol

That player quit on his team?  

Shocking.  

#Sarcasm 

2 high schools

3 jucos

2 universities 

SMH 

[FHSAlum12]

4 minutes ago, HTV said:

 

That player quit on his team?  

Shocking.  

#Sarcasm 

2 high schools

3 jucos

2 universities 

SMH 

He is the picture next to "transfer portal" in the dictionary.

[sx1234]

Being that Rhea County is a Wing-T team, and extremely well-coached Wing-T team, I would imagine that they will execute all cut blocks legally. They may add a few to their scheme to factor for Nolan, but cut blocks are most likely already a fundamental of their offense; a technique their coaches have been teaching how to do legally for years.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe that will be an issue Friday night. 

 

Also, most people use the terms cut blocks and chop blocks interchangeably, but the actual rule book does define them differently.  A chop block is what most people call a "high-low" block- where one blocker cuts a defensive player that is already engaged with another blocker.

[keepitmoving]

1 hour ago, sx1234 said:

Being that Rhea County is a Wing-T team, and extremely well-coached Wing-T team, I would imagine that they will execute all cut blocks legally. They may add a few to their scheme to factor for Nolan, but cut blocks are most likely already a fundamental of their offense; a technique their coaches have been teaching how to do legally for years.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe that will be an issue Friday night. 

 

Also, most people use the terms cut blocks and chop blocks interchangeably, but the actual rule book does define them differently.  A chop block is what most people call a "high-low" block- where one blocker cuts a defensive player that is already engaged with another blocker.

Oh ya Rhea county is great at it, and they do it almost every play.  Perfectly legal.  Will the refs from this area see it the same?  No team locally runs the wing T, and the local crews have been tuff on teams chop/cut blocking this year.  

[OldandBusted]

5 minutes ago, keepitmoving said:

Oh ya Rhea county is great at it, and they do it almost every play.  Perfectly legal.  Will the refs from this area see it the same?  No team locally runs the wing T, and the local crews have been tuff on teams chop/cut blocking this year.  

Football Rules Changes - 2021

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Action in the Free-Blocking Zone [2-17-2c (NEW), 2-17-4]
Blocking below the waist now requires the block to begin immediately following the snap.

[keepitmoving]

3 minutes ago, OldandBusted said:

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Action in the Free-Blocking Zone [2-17-2c (NEW), 2-17-4]
Blocking below the waist now requires the block to begin immediately following the snap.

I understand.  Knox County officials have been throwing flags on this all season.  Powell has gotten several in there favor for teams chop/cut blocking immediately at the snap is all I'm saying.  

[OldandBusted]

29 minutes ago, keepitmoving said:

I understand.  Knox County officials have been throwing flags on this all season.  Powell has gotten several in there favor for teams chop/cut blocking immediately at the snap is all I'm saying.  

That would probably indicate there were 2 men engaged with the d lineman. The rule is very vague as you can see, but it is intended to apply to a single blocker. If it's 2 guys doing a High/Low then that's no bueno.

I would fully expect WN to get a heavy dose of solo submarine blocking all night long.

Edited November 17, 2021 by OldandBusted
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[dawgs82]

54 minutes ago, keepitmoving said:

Oh ya Rhea county is great at it, and they do it almost every play.  Perfectly legal.  Will the refs from this area see it the same?  No team locally runs the wing T, and the local crews have been tuff on teams chop/cut blocking this year.  

I was under the impression that the officiating crews always came from other areas during the playoffs.

[sx1234]

46 minutes ago, keepitmoving said:

I understand.  Knox County officials have been throwing flags on this all season.  Powell has gotten several in there favor for teams chop/cut blocking immediately at the snap is all I'm saying.  

 

18 minutes ago, OldandBusted said:

That would probably indicate there were 2 men engaged with the d lineman. The rule is very vague as you can see, but it is intended to apply to a single blocker. If it's 2 guys doing a High/Low then that's no bueno.

I would fully expect WN to get a heavy dose of solo submarine blocking all night long.

Its a rule similar to pass interference in the way that there are numerous acts that are illegal that all fall under the same penalty name.  There are a few other specifications too dealing with angles. For example, The endman on a line of scrimmage can't cut down at an angle to set an edge, and you have to cut "between 10 and 2 o'clock". The blocker has to be in a 3-point stance (that may have changed) you can't be down field or open field (that one may only be youth football- can't remember). Point being that just because a ref calls illegal chop block, doesn't always mean a high-low or it wasn't off the snap of the ball, there are several illegal blocks that all fall under the same umbrella.

Edited November 17, 2021 by sx1234

[BigDaddyDave]

Seems to me, Powell can just watch film from Rhea Co vs Alcoa and Elizabethton to game plan this one. Follow those blueprints, and things should turn out ok.