2012 pre-season discussion, Transfers, Coaching changes and Rumors

[PUMMELKING]

I've read some really uninformed posts from you on this board in the past, but this one takes the cake. Since you are/were an educator, your opinions as spread on this forum reflect some of the obstacles public schools have to overcome compared to the privates although you don't appear to stick at any of the publics schools very long either.

 

Common sense tells us private schools would tend to outperform public schools for no other reason than the private school applicants typically have to pass an entrance test prior to admittance. They can admit whomever they choose regardless of the admittance test but few would contend they reject the top academic applicants over the lower academic applicants. At the more popular privates there are more applicants than openings allowing them to be even more selective. Throw on top of that the privates are not required to address special education needs. If the academic base line level of their students is higher when they enter then the privates would really have to be messing things up to not expose their students to more academically than the neighborhood public school who is charged with educating all children within their zone.

 

The privates also don't have to deal with the same level of misbehavior as the publics. Don't behave to their standards and they kindly show you the door, problem solved. Lost time in the classroom due to the teachers addressing misbehavior is greatly reduced with the time restored to the educating process. The publics don't have the same ability as the courts have determined education to be a "right" not revocable due to bad behavior except in the most extreme cases.

 

The playing field is not level concerning academics. For the sake of the children, I hope you have found another career outside of education.

HA HA HA

Your Funny,

But you know it all I suppose. Another know it all who believes he has all the ideas.

If you look and understand things that are in your face it is about individuals not total numbers.

Yes private schools get to pic and choose which kids they accept and who is denied to be educated by the public lower than thou thought of teachers. so on vast numbers it is higher for private vs public. But since this is about individuals and opportunities, those at public can be just of as rewarding and challenging at to private ones.

The money does not buy the education, just where to get it.

Im sure glad my career and performances are of interest to you. Sure is good to know we all have our admirers or maybe should consider you to be a stalker.

Yes I am still in the same field and doing a good job of it, and for your interest. All my students are treated the same, rich or poor no one has prefered treatment. All students should held accoutable for their actions and encouraged to exceed at all in academics and life.

Lastly for your entertainment, if you do not like my posts, then you dont have to read them.

[mocs2011]

Young Mr. Murphy could be hosted by a CBHS family and allowed to take up residence in a guest house returning the favor the Murphy's afforded another McCallie student. If his residence moved from Chattanooga to Memphis, he would not have to sit.

 

Wow, this is getting kind of interesting. A guest house? Actually one of Michael's parents would also have to move into the guest house with him in Memphis to be eligible. However, if he moved from Memphis to Chatt and attended a boarding school, a parent does not have to room with him.

[mocs2011]

HA HA HA

Your Funny,

But you know it all I suppose. Another know it all who believes he has all the ideas.

If you look and understand things that are in your face it is about individuals not total numbers.

Yes private schools get to pic and choose which kids they accept and who is denied to be educated by the public lower than thou thought of teachers. so on vast numbers it is higher for private vs public. But since this is about individuals and opportunities, those at public can be just of as rewarding and challenging at to private ones.

The money does not buy the education, just where to get it.

Im sure glad my career and performances are of interest to you. Sure is good to know we all have our admirers or maybe should consider you to be a stalker.

Yes I am still in the same field and doing a good job of it, and for your interest. All my students are treated the same, rich or poor no one has prefered treatment. All students should held accoutable for their actions and encouraged to exceed at all in academics and life.

Lastly for your entertainment, if you do not like my posts, then you dont have to read them.

 

Read Maj's post above, he lived the difference between public and private and I believe on average that is the truth. Having been around the red and blue campuses often, it is better academics, facilities, athletics, fan support, contacts for the future, the whole package. They are not in the same league with the rest of us and should not be in the same state org. I don't know why we have to give them an advantage. Seems like they already have plenty.

[ynotme]

Pummelking - If you truely believe that an equally motivated and capable student applying the same amount of effort will obtain an equal education at a public school as they would get at one of the better college prep schools then you are even more confused than I thought. There are no obsticles to overcome at the college prep school, they lay it out on a platter for the taking. That's what the money buys. A motivated capable student can obtain a good education at a public school, they just have to work considerably harder for it.

[ynotme]

Actually one of Michael's parents would also have to move into the guest house with him in Memphis to be eligible.

 

Actually one of his parents would have to claim to move in the guest house although it would make for a ready made hotel room when they drove over to watch a match.

[chattanoogachoker]

HA HA HA

Your Funny,

But you know it all I suppose. Another know it all who believes he has all the ideas.

If you look and understand things that are in your face it is about individuals not total numbers.

Yes private schools get to pic and choose which kids they accept and who is denied to be educated by the public lower than thou thought of teachers. so on vast numbers it is higher for private vs public. But since this is about individuals and opportunities, those at public can be just of as rewarding and challenging at to private ones.

The money does not buy the education, just where to get it.

Im sure glad my career and performances are of interest to you. Sure is good to know we all have our admirers or maybe should consider you to be a stalker.

Yes I am still in the same field and doing a good job of it, and for your interest. All my students are treated the same, rich or poor no one has prefered treatment. All students should held accoutable for their actions and encouraged to exceed at all in academics and life.

Lastly for your entertainment, if you do not like my posts, then you dont have to read them.

 

Pummelking, you are an educator? Yikes thats kind of scary after trying to read your post. Im just kidding, sort of.

Edited September 1, 2012 by chattanoogachoker

[PUMMELKING]

Pummelking - If you truely believe that an equally motivated and capable student applying the same amount of effort will obtain an equal education at a public school as they would get at one of the better college prep schools then you are even more confused than I thought. There are no obsticles to overcome at the college prep school, they lay it out on a platter for the taking. That's what the money buys. A motivated capable student can obtain a good education at a public school, they just have to work considerably harder for it.

It is all OK now, you have stated your are confused. And now we KNOW.

[chattanoogachoker]

Read Maj's post above, he lived the difference between public and private and I believe on average that is the truth. Having been around the red and blue campuses often, it is better academics, facilities, athletics, fan support, contacts for the future, the whole package. They are not in the same league with the rest of us and should not be in the same state org. I don't know why we have to give them an advantage. Seems like they already have plenty.

 

So because they have better facilties, academics, ectt.. they shouldnt compete with you? They should be penalized for working hard and becoming successful and building a nice school? So should Cleveland be in another league too because they have better coaches and feeder programs than your school? Should Soddy be in another league because they have their own wrestling gym, good coaches, great support? Should Bradley give all those state championships back because they had more knowledgeable and passionate coaches and community support than others? Where does it end? So you want everybody to be even, you cant have an advantage even if you have earned it right? I think thats called a socialistic society. When are you going to tell us what school you are from or support? We are dying to know. I guess you are one of those that thinks everybody owes you something and everybody is out to get you. Well guess what, those parents you complain about do give you something. They pay taxes to support the schools you go to even they they never use them. It doesnt matter how nice your gym is or how cool your warm ups are. Wrestling is about working hard and being tough, sounds like you missed out on that part of the lesson when you wrestled.

Edited September 1, 2012 by chattanoogachoker

[CupCake]

BCB,,,, A real man wouldn’t abandon his flock as you have clearly done! In nature the Alpha is pushed out by a stronger and younger Alpha,,,but I’ve yet to see a dominate Alpha male simply drop his laptop and walk off into the sunset while still on top (like you have). I don’t believe in ‘fair’ nor does it exist in nature,,,but if I did,,,what you are doing (or in this case not doing) isn’t fair! We have 8 pages of Rubbish and it’s happening on your watch. Looks like I will have to talk to Harry and see if we will have room for you in the back seat come Feb?!

 

Just remember,,,with great power comes great responsibility. Spiderman didn’t just sit around drinking beer watching the world go to heck……

 

CC,,,sends…

[slingshot]

So because they have better facilties, academics, ectt.. they shouldnt compete with you? They should be penalized for working hard and becoming successful and building a nice school? So should Cleveland be in another league too because they have better coaches and feeder programs than your school? Should Soddy be in another league because they have their own wrestling gym, good coaches, great support? Should Bradley give all those state championships back because they had more knowledgeable and passionate coaches and community support than others? Where does it end? So you want everybody to be even, you cant have an advantage even if you have earned it right? I think thats called a socialistic society. When are you going to tell us what school you are from or support? We are dying to know. I guess you are one of those that thinks everybody owes you something and everybody is out to get you. Well guess what, those parents you complain about do give you something. They pay taxes to support the schools you go to even they they never use them. It doesnt matter how nice your gym is or how cool your warm ups are. Wrestling is about working hard and being tough, sounds like you missed out on that part of the lesson when you wrestled..

Let's play "make-believe" for a minute... There's going to be a fist-fight.. A real brawl! 10 men against 10 men.. Each team can practice in the best facilities with the Coaching staff of your choice... The best of the best! It will take place in a cow field in 6 months.

The only catch is that your warriors must be selected from the street on which you live and within a 3 block radius. The team that you will face may also select from their own street,..or from anyone from any county within a 100 mile radius. MMA fighters, U.T. football players, bar-bouncers, Coach T posters...you know,..tough guys! If you can be fair-minded, just for a second, get a mental picture of these two groups squaring off in 6 months.....Your team, comprised of men who happen to live around you vs. a group of hand-selected fighters with proven abilities based on their past acheivements.. all brought together to train with and sharpen one another for battle!

I think that this is the frustration that some feel. While this is exaggerated of course, the principle is the same. Okay, what if each team was from their own street, but certain teams were allowed to add only 3 "outside" fighters to their line-up? ... and those fighters were George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, and Randy Couture. Think it would help the team's chances for victory?

BUT..! Your team is allowed to be "passionate" and work REAL hard! Fair now? Would you show up with your mouthpiece in? Oh, and at the fight the following year, you'll be without 2 of the only decent fighters you had because during the off-season they "decided on their own" to transfer to Team St. Pierre...Ouch!

[chattanoogachoker]

Let's play "make-believe" for a minute... There's going to be a fist-fight.. A real brawl! 10 men against 10 men.. Each team can practice in the best facilities with the Coaching staff of your choice... The best of the best! It will take place in a cow field in 6 months.

The only catch is that your warriors must be selected from the street on which you live and within a 3 block radius. The team that you will face may also select from their own street,..or from anyone from any county within a 100 mile radius. MMA fighters, U.T. football players, bar-bouncers, Coach T posters...you know,..tough guys! If you can be fair-minded, just for a second, get a mental picture of these two groups squaring off in 6 months.....Your team, comprised of men who happen to live around you vs. a group of hand-selected fighters with proven abilities based on their past acheivements.. all brought together to train with and sharpen one another for battle!

I think that this is the frustration that some feel. While this is exaggerated of course, the principle is the same. Okay, what if each team was from their own street, but certain teams were allowed to add only 3 "outside" fighters to their line-up? ... and those fighters were George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, and Randy Couture. Think it would help the team's chances for victory?

BUT..! Your team is allowed to be "passionate" and work REAL hard! Fair now? Would you show up with your mouthpiece in? Oh, and at the fight the following year, you'll be without 2 of the only decent fighters you had because during the off-season they "decided on their own" to transfer to Team St. Pierre...Ouch!

 

Great post and comparison. I admire the thought process but its not reality. What people dont understand is this. ALL of the top programs have kids that came to that program because of its wrestling program. ALL of them, public and private. They built something people want to be a part of. I can go down a list of kids at public schools that moved into that area to wrestle at that particular school that is a mile long. Does that mean they were recruited? No, it does not. It means that those parents put their kids in the best place for their success. Its much like Mitch Brunner posted that I think went over the head of some people. He compared this to the coaches coaching at schools other than where they grew up at . Why are these coaches not where they grew up wrestling? Because they are doing whats best for them and their families. Can wrestlers not do the same? In fact this isnt a wrestling specefic problem. Its in all sports. Do you really thing Signal Mtn is winning football games with kids all from Signal mtn? have you ever seen Signal mtns youth and middle school sports? I promise you kids are moving there because they want to play football there. Lets look at Cleveland for example, Debien (florida), Taylor (Mcminn), Austin Oliver (Mcminn), Aaron Oliver (mcminn), Ethan West (georgia). Thats just the ones I know of. Were they recruited? Should they have to wretle in another division because they have an unfair advantage? No, they went there because they wanted to wrestle there. This is America, we are supposed to be free the last time I checked. You like to make comparisons so here is one that is a little more accurate. Do you let people dictate to you where you work because its in close proximity to your work? Or do you work where you want to ? One that provides you and your family the best opportunity? Imagine the government telling you, " I know you went to school for years, have 40,000 in student loans, but we want you to work at this fruit stand on the corner of your street because its in your zone". Would that be fair to you? Thats the same thing with these wrestlers and all athletes. They work their butts off, their parents spend untold amounts of money and time while they are growing up and the kids have earned the right to wrestle where they want to. If you dont like it, hire a better coach, build a better program, build better facilities, raise your academic standards, and maybe more people will want to wrestle for you. Thats what these other institutions have done. They did it with their time, money and hard work. The government didnt do it for them. In fact while they were busy doing those things for their school they were also paying taxes that go to your school. This is wrestling, its not checkers. You are probably one of those who thinks we should have yet another division in Tn, one of those who thinks everyone should win. Life is full of winners and losers, you chose which one you want to be.

Edited September 1, 2012 by chattanoogachoker

[chattanoogachoker]

BCB,,,, A real man wouldn’t abandon his flock as you have clearly done! In nature the Alpha is pushed out by a stronger and younger Alpha,,,but I’ve yet to see a dominate Alpha male simply drop his laptop and walk off into the sunset while still on top (like you have). I don’t believe in ‘fair’ nor does it exist in nature,,,but if I did,,,what you are doing (or in this case not doing) isn’t fair! We have 8 pages of Rubbish and it’s happening on your watch. Looks like I will have to talk to Harry and see if we will have room for you in the back seat come Feb?!

 

Just remember,,,with great power comes great responsibility. Spiderman didn’t just sit around drinking beer watching the world go to heck……

 

CC,,,sends…

 

Yes we need bcb back. Its hard being one of only a few with any common sense on here. Cupcake, you have been through both public and private, whats your thoughts on this and also having the ability to chose where your son wrestles.