Multiplier

[1AMAN]

I’m still unclear on how a 1.8 multiplier represents a “compromise”.  I’m not saying that it doesn’t, but I’d like to know what the difference a 1.5, 1.8, and 2.0 has on the teams in question.  Specifically, are there any DI private schools that move up with a 1.8 (or even a 2.0) that wouldn’t move up with a 1.5?

According to the numbers that I have been crunching, assuming ELA's estimate on the range for the cutoff for 1A is right, and that the enrollments for the schools are pretty close to what they are now (I know that may be a big assumption, but it is the only thing I have to base this on), a 1.5 moves 6 of the football playing privates up definately; Ezell, Davidson Acad, Boyd, FRA, DCA, and USJ + CPA if the cuttoff falls at the lower end. A 1.8 adds the following to the list of move ups; CAK, Friendship, + Fayette Acad and JCS if the cutoff falls at the lower end of ELA's estimate. And if Columbia Acad. grows by a hand full of students, a 1.8 would bump them up at the lower end of the range. A 2.0 kicks everybody but Nashville Christian, Trinity Christian, Mt. Juliet Christian, Temple, and Lighthouse up. I don't know Zion Christian's enrollment, so I couldn't figure them, but I think it is pretty small and probably wouldn't be affect by any of the multipliers.

 

As for no celebration from the small public supporters, consider me one very happy small public school supporter.

Edited February 11, 2004 by 1AMAN

[rollredroll]

Thanks, 1AMAN.

 

Given the projected ranges/cutoffs and enrollment estimates, I would still contend this isn't much of a "compromise". Ezell, Davidson Acad, Boyd, FRA, DCA, USJ, and CPA appear to move up regardless. CAK, Friendship, Fayette Academy and JCS appear to move up at either 1.8 or 2.0 (but not at 1.5). Nashville Christian, Trinity Christian, Mt. Juliet Christian, Temple, and Lighthouse would not appear to move up regardless. Thus, it seems to me that the TSSAA assigned a multiplier that affects those who can be affected, so to speak.

 

The multiplier is what it is. I have no problems with that. I'm just bothered by the term "compromise". The 2.0 that public supporters supposedly supported gets all 1A privates up (except NCS, Trinity, etc.). The 1.5 that private supporters supposedly supported gets the "biggies" up (Ezell, Boyd, DCA etc.) but provides some relief to schools like CAK, JCS, etc. The option the TSSAA chose effectively resembles the 2.0 if the CAKs, JCSs, etc. move up under the 1.8 plan. That's not much of a compromise.

 

Maybe we need to reassess after we see the new classifications.

[GWAVE1]

Where is Antwan. I do not think he will agree with you on this on Gwave1. Smith made a the move for financial and geographic reasons. Not to escape privates.

I believe you are correct.

 

And I believe I am too. Playing Lipscomb and Goodpasture figured into the decision for some of the other schools to jump did it not. And that thus affected Smith Co's move. I realize that they were trying to form a situation where geography would place them all together but an underlining theme was to avoid the afore mentioned privates.

 

But I really like the idea of making 4-classes and everybody just live with it!!

[bigwes68]

I’m still unclear on how a 1.8 multiplier represents a “compromise”. I’m not saying that it doesn’t, but I’d like to know what the difference a 1.5, 1.8, and 2.0 has on the teams in question. Specifically, are there any DI private schools that move up with a 1.8 (or even a 2.0) that wouldn’t move up with a 1.5?

Anyone consider that this doesn't just affect football?

 

Think about this: 1.8 was easily enough to bump USJ to AA in baseball and basketball, but probably not enough to affect JCS. Your thoughts?

[926]

5A - Schools with an enrollment of 1,348 and above

4A - Schools with an enrollment of 961 to 1,347

3A - Schools with an enrollment of 675-957

2A - Schools with an enrollment of 364-673

1A - Schools with an enrollment of 361 and under

 

This is one of the incorrect assumptions that those who don't understand how schools are classified. There really isn't a number for the cut-offs. Schools are divided equally by the number of classifications. Ex. If there are 100 schools in football. then there will be 20 schools in each classification. One has to remember that for every school that moves up in classification there will be a school that moves down. The only move that I am not sure of, is when a school decides to play above there classification, I am not sure that this bump up would bump a school down. So the numbers above mean nothing, the numbers are established after you divide the schools up evenly among the classifications. However it will be interesting to see if they divide the schools first and then use the multiplier or use the multiplier to divide the schools. It will also be interesting to see if any of the affective schools jump to division II, which is probably going to happen to schools in the Nashville area. This will also have an interesting affect on public schools that may move down and the regions they play in. It may move the smallest 4-a schools down to 3-a, just because the number of schools playing D-1 will decrease. Maybe Laz, C'Sense, and Baldy can crunch all the numbers.

 

I'm well aware that the numbers are floating in order to maintain a relatively equal number in each class. Now, having defended my honor, I will admit that I had forgotten that nugget of information until about 15 minutes after I had logged off, and I was just too dang lazy to log back on just to change it. Anyway, I spent about 20 minutes compiling (cut-and-pasting to Excel Spreadsheet) the classifications using the multiplier. Bear with me. These are using the last enrollment figures per http://www.tssaa.org/Classifications/schoolstable.htm , assume the current number of schools in each classification will be maintained per http://www.tssaa.org/Classifications/classmiscinfo.htm , and that schools are going to play in their enrollment-based class. AND allowing that the privates wont bail to D2.

 

 

 

Class A

69 Tennessee School for the Deaf

159 Oakdale High School

161 Greenfield High School

179 Copper Basin High School

180 Clarksville Academy

181 Sunbright High School

194 Coalfield High School

199 Red Boiling Springs High School

207 Gleason High School

219 Cloudland High School

223 Jackson Christian School

224 Lake Co. High School

233 Bruceton Central High School

236 Trinity Christian Academy

245 Midway High School

247 Lighthouse Christian Academy

248 Jo Byrns School

253 Huntland High School

255 Greenback High School

255 Lookout Valley High School

261 Moore Co. High School

264 Cornersville High School

266 Celina High School

270 McEwen High School

274 South Pittsburg High School

277 Watertown High School

288 South Fulton High School

302 Cascade High School

302 Gordonsville High School

304 West Carroll High School

306 Nashville Christian School

317 Tennessee Preparatory School

324 Collinwood High School

332 Perry Co. High School

338 Whitwell High School

339 Middleton High School

343 Unaka High School

346 North Greene High School

347 Forrest High School

348 Jellico High School

349 Monterey High School

349 Mt. Pleasant High School

349 Wayne Co. High School

354 Cosby High School

359 Oneida High School

359 Powell Valley High School

361 Halls High School

364 Rockwood High School

369 Mitchell High School

384 Dresden High School

386 Alcoa High School

386 Manassas High School

387 Adamsville High School

390 Trousdale Co. High School

391 Columbia Academy

394 Houston Co. High School

396 Huntingdon High School

 

Class 2A

398 Harriman High School

403 East Robertson High School

415 Wartburg Central High School

423 Westmoreland High School

425 Richland High School

428 Peabody High School

429 Bledsoe Co. High School

429 Hampton High School

430 Westside High School

433 McKenzie High School

438 Jackson Co. High School

442 Union City High School

448 Christian Academy of Knoxville

448 Friendship Christian School

449 Polk Co. High School

463 B. T. Washington High School

467 Tellico Plains High School

476 Upperman High School

484 Christ Presbyterian Academy

489 Sweetwater High School

501 Decatur Co. Riverside High School

507 Oliver Springs High School

509 Franklin Road Academy

511 Sequatchie Co. High School

520 Ezell-Harding Christian Academy

527 Meigs Co. High School

534 Humboldt High School

547 Oakhaven High School

549 Boyd Buchanan High School

555 Lewis Co. High School

556 South Greene High School

562 Loretto High School

568 Marion Co. High School

569 University School of Jackson

575 Treadwell High School

578 West Greene High School

582 Stewart Co. High School

583 Davidson Academy

584 Happy Valley High School

586 Camden Central High School

587 Harpeth High School

588 Chuckey-Doak High School

592 Fairview High School

592 Pigeon Forge High School

597 Cannon Co. High School

603 Donelson Christian Academy

604 Alvin C. York Institute

613 Smith Co. High School

621 George Washington Carver High School

623 Waverly Central High School

624 Westview High School

644 Milan High School

673 Chester Co. High School

675 McMinn Central High School

676 Johnson Co. High School

678 Frayser High School

 

Class 3A

679 Goodpasture Christian School

690 Loudon High School

691 Gibson Co. High School

691 Tyner Academy

697 Hillcrest High School

716 Kingston High School

725 Westwood High School

732 Gatlinburg-Pittman High School

735 Rutledge High School

736 Grundy Co. High School

737 Greenbrier High School

738 Claiborne Co. High School

738 Marshall Co. High School

743 Macon Co. High School

743 Memphis South Side High School

747 Crockett Co. High School

755 Unicoi Co. High School

756 McNairy Central High School

759 Scott High School

767 DeKalb Co. High School

769 Greeneville High School

774 Sequoyah High School

779 Howard School of Academics & Tech.

780 Cheatham Co. Central High School

781 Sullivan North High School

783 Austin-East High School

784 Sheffield High School

807 Covington High School

818 Elizabethton High School

830 Livingston Academy

838 Montgomery Central High School

838 Portland High School

841 Brighton High School

849 Seymour High School

856 Fulton High School

856 Sycamore High School

859 Bolivar Central High School

863 Kingsbury High School

870 Dyer Co. High School

871 Memphis Northside High School

875 Obion Co. Central High School

879 Union Co. High School

890 Fayette Ware High School

910 Ripley High School

916 Lexington High School

922 Raleigh Egypt High School

923 David Lipscomb High School

933 Giles Co. High School

933 Lenoir City High School

937 Trezevant High School

942 Gibbs High School

943 Anderson Co. High School

948 Jackson South Side High School

950 Walker Valley High School

956 Fred J. Page High School

957 Ridgeway High School

 

Class 4A

961 Carter High School

961 East Ridge High School

961 Springfield High School

963 Pearl Cohn High School

983 Sullivan Central High School

987 Volunteer High School

990 Haywood High School

990 Hixson High School

991 Fairley High School

993 White House High School

1000 Lawrence Co. High School

1001 Hickman Co. High School

1008 Brainerd High School

1023 Melrose High School

1028 Spring Hill High School

1031 Hillwood High School

1031 Tennessee High School

1037 Shelbyville Central High School

1051 Dyersburg High School

1056 White Co. High School

1061 Cherokee High School

1061 David Crockett High School

1062 Sullivan East High School

1087 Hardin Co. High School

1091 Tullahoma High School

1092 Memphis East High School

1094 Powell High School

1100 Rossview High School

1101 Stratford High School

1110 Sullivan South High School

1122 Maplewood Comprehensive High School

1123 Craigmont High School

1125 Whites Creek High School

1126 Morristown-Hamblen High School West

1128 Chattanooga Central High School

1131 Daniel Boone High School

1152 Clinton High School

1154 Cocke Co. High School

1167 Cleveland High School

1167 Wilson Central High School

1180 Knoxville Halls High School

1183 Northwest High School

1193 Maryville High School

1210 Knoxville Central High School

1229 Hillsboro High School

1251 John Overton High School

1254 Rhea Co. High School

1297 Munford High School

1298 Wooddale High School

1318 Red Bank High School

1319 Jackson North Side High School

1332 Overton High School

1332 West High School

1333 Memphis Central High School

1346 Columbia Central High School

1347 Morristown-Hamblen High School East

1347 Northeast High School

 

Class 5A

1348 South Doyle High School

1361 Kenwood High School

1366 Heritage High School

1372 Campbell Co. High School

1378 Henry Co. High School

1381 McMinn Co. High School

1393 Clarksville High School

1426 Coffee Co. Central High School

1439 LaVergne High School

1446 Smyrna High School

1457 Oak Ridge High School

1461 Beech Senior High School

1462 Franklin High School

1465 Blackman High School

1483 Lebanon High School

1486 Millington Central High School

1500 Franklin Co. High School

1524 Sevier Co. High School

1525 Lincoln Co. High School

1548 Karns High School

1562 Glencliff High School

1567 William Blount High School

1568 Hamilton Senior High

1580 Centennial High School

1593 Ooltewah High School

1622 Hendersonville High School

1654 Brentwood High School

1661 Bearden High School

1671 Dobyns Bennett High School

1691 Central-Merry High School

1693 Gallatin High School

1695 Kirby High School

1724 Soddy Daisy High School

1746 Bolton High School

1746 Cumberland Co. High School

1752 Jefferson Co. High School

1760 Houston High School

1768 Hunters Lane High School

1768 Warren Co. High School

1848 Whitehaven High School

1885 Science Hill High School

1907 Cookeville High School

1910 White Station High School

1935 Collierville High School

1952 Bartlett High School

1969 Mt. Juliet High School

1982 Antioch High School

2034 Cordova High School

2071 McGavock High School

2136 Farragut High School

2144 Dickson Co. High School

2304 Bradley Central High School

2308 Germantown High School

2313 Riverdale High School

2359 Oakland High School

[CPGB06]

Let me sum all this up:

 

WHAT A MESS!

 

I think we should multiply the TSSAA out of existance!

[rollredroll]

Anyone consider that this doesn't just affect football?

 

Think about this: 1.8 was easily enough to bump USJ to AA in baseball and basketball, but probably not enough to affect JCS. Your thoughts?

I realize this goes beyond football. It just seems that football is the major sport of controversy, although that may be due merely to the fact that it's the most popular sport.

[yellowdog]

Let me sum all this up:

 

WHAT A MESS!

 

I think we should multiply the TSSAA out of existance!

How would you handle the public/private issue if you were in charge?

[ELA]

5A - Schools with an enrollment of 1,348 and above

4A - Schools with an enrollment of 961 to 1,347

3A - Schools with an enrollment of 675-957

2A - Schools with an enrollment of 364-673

1A - Schools with an enrollment of 361 and under

 

This is one of the incorrect assumptions that those who don't understand how schools are classified. There really isn't a number for the cut-offs. Schools are divided equally by the number of classifications. Ex. If there are 100 schools in football. then there will be 20 schools in each classification. One has to remember that for every school that moves up in classification there will be a school that moves down. The only move that I am not sure of, is when a school decides to play above there classification, I am not sure that this bump up would bump a school down. So the numbers above mean nothing, the numbers are established after you divide the schools up evenly among the classifications. However it will be interesting to see if they divide the schools first and then use the multiplier or use the multiplier to divide the schools. It will also be interesting to see if any of the affective schools jump to division II, which is probably going to happen to schools in the Nashville area. This will also have an interesting affect on public schools that may move down and the regions they play in. It may move the smallest 4-a schools down to 3-a, just because the number of schools playing D-1 will decrease. Maybe Laz, C'Sense, and Baldy can crunch all the numbers.

 

I'm well aware that the numbers are floating in order to maintain a relatively equal number in each class. Now, having defended my honor, I will admit that I had forgotten that nugget of information until about 15 minutes after I had logged off, and I was just too dang lazy to log back on just to change it. Anyway, I spent about 20 minutes compiling (cut-and-pasting to Excel Spreadsheet) the classifications using the multiplier. Bear with me. These are using the last enrollment figures per http://www.tssaa.org/Classifications/schoolstable.htm , assume the current number of schools in each classification will be maintained per http://www.tssaa.org/Classifications/classmiscinfo.htm , and that schools are going to play in their enrollment-based class. AND allowing that the privates wont bail to D2.

 

 

 

Class A

69 Tennessee School for the Deaf

159 Oakdale High School

161 Greenfield High School

179 Copper Basin High School

180 Clarksville Academy

181 Sunbright High School

194 Coalfield High School

199 Red Boiling Springs High School

207 Gleason High School

219 Cloudland High School

223 Jackson Christian School

224 Lake Co. High School

233 Bruceton Central High School

236 Trinity Christian Academy

245 Midway High School

247 Lighthouse Christian Academy

248 Jo Byrns School

253 Huntland High School

255 Greenback High School

255 Lookout Valley High School

261 Moore Co. High School

264 Cornersville High School

266 Celina High School

270 McEwen High School

274 South Pittsburg High School

277 Watertown High School

288 South Fulton High School

302 Cascade High School

302 Gordonsville High School

304 West Carroll High School

306 Nashville Christian School

317 Tennessee Preparatory School

324 Collinwood High School

332 Perry Co. High School

338 Whitwell High School

339 Middleton High School

343 Unaka High School

346 North Greene High School

347 Forrest High School

348 Jellico High School

349 Monterey High School

349 Mt. Pleasant High School

349 Wayne Co. High School

354 Cosby High School

359 Oneida High School

359 Powell Valley High School

361 Halls High School

364 Rockwood High School

369 Mitchell High School

384 Dresden High School

386 Alcoa High School

386 Manassas High School

387 Adamsville High School

390 Trousdale Co. High School

391 Columbia Academy

394 Houston Co. High School

396 Huntingdon High School

 

Class 2A

398 Harriman High School

403 East Robertson High School

415 Wartburg Central High School

423 Westmoreland High School

425 Richland High School

428 Peabody High School

429 Bledsoe Co. High School

429 Hampton High School

430 Westside High School

433 McKenzie High School

438 Jackson Co. High School

442 Union City High School

448 Christian Academy of Knoxville

448 Friendship Christian School

449 Polk Co. High School

463 B. T. Washington High School

467 Tellico Plains High School

476 Upperman High School

484 Christ Presbyterian Academy

489 Sweetwater High School

501 Decatur Co. Riverside High School

507 Oliver Springs High School

509 Franklin Road Academy

511 Sequatchie Co. High School

520 Ezell-Harding Christian Academy

527 Meigs Co. High School

534 Humboldt High School

547 Oakhaven High School

549 Boyd Buchanan High School

555 Lewis Co. High School

556 South Greene High School

562 Loretto High School

568 Marion Co. High School

569 University School of Jackson

575 Treadwell High School

578 West Greene High School

582 Stewart Co. High School

583 Davidson Academy

584 Happy Valley High School

586 Camden Central High School

587 Harpeth High School

588 Chuckey-Doak High School

592 Fairview High School

592 Pigeon Forge High School

597 Cannon Co. High School

603 Donelson Christian Academy

604 Alvin C. York Institute

613 Smith Co. High School

621 George Washington Carver High School

623 Waverly Central High School

624 Westview High School

644 Milan High School

673 Chester Co. High School

675 McMinn Central High School

676 Johnson Co. High School

678 Frayser High School

 

Class 3A

679 Goodpasture Christian School

690 Loudon High School

691 Gibson Co. High School

691 Tyner Academy

697 Hillcrest High School

716 Kingston High School

725 Westwood High School

732 Gatlinburg-Pittman High School

735 Rutledge High School

736 Grundy Co. High School

737 Greenbrier High School

738 Claiborne Co. High School

738 Marshall Co. High School

743 Macon Co. High School

743 Memphis South Side High School

747 Crockett Co. High School

755 Unicoi Co. High School

756 McNairy Central High School

759 Scott High School

767 DeKalb Co. High School

769 Greeneville High School

774 Sequoyah High School

779 Howard School of Academics & Tech.

780 Cheatham Co. Central High School

781 Sullivan North High School

783 Austin-East High School

784 Sheffield High School

807 Covington High School

818 Elizabethton High School

830 Livingston Academy

838 Montgomery Central High School

838 Portland High School

841 Brighton High School

849 Seymour High School

856 Fulton High School

856 Sycamore High School

859 Bolivar Central High School

863 Kingsbury High School

870 Dyer Co. High School

871 Memphis Northside High School

875 Obion Co. Central High School

879 Union Co. High School

890 Fayette Ware High School

910 Ripley High School

916 Lexington High School

922 Raleigh Egypt High School

923 David Lipscomb High School

933 Giles Co. High School

933 Lenoir City High School

937 Trezevant High School

942 Gibbs High School

943 Anderson Co. High School

948 Jackson South Side High School

950 Walker Valley High School

956 Fred J. Page High School

957 Ridgeway High School

 

Class 4A

961 Carter High School

961 East Ridge High School

961 Springfield High School

963 Pearl Cohn High School

983 Sullivan Central High School

987 Volunteer High School

990 Haywood High School

990 Hixson High School

991 Fairley High School

993 White House High School

1000 Lawrence Co. High School

1001 Hickman Co. High School

1008 Brainerd High School

1023 Melrose High School

1028 Spring Hill High School

1031 Hillwood High School

1031 Tennessee High School

1037 Shelbyville Central High School

1051 Dyersburg High School

1056 White Co. High School

1061 Cherokee High School

1061 David Crockett High School

1062 Sullivan East High School

1087 Hardin Co. High School

1091 Tullahoma High School

1092 Memphis East High School

1094 Powell High School

1100 Rossview High School

1101 Stratford High School

1110 Sullivan South High School

1122 Maplewood Comprehensive High School

1123 Craigmont High School

1125 Whites Creek High School

1126 Morristown-Hamblen High School West

1128 Chattanooga Central High School

1131 Daniel Boone High School

1152 Clinton High School

1154 Cocke Co. High School

1167 Cleveland High School

1167 Wilson Central High School

1180 Knoxville Halls High School

1183 Northwest High School

1193 Maryville High School

1210 Knoxville Central High School

1229 Hillsboro High School

1251 John Overton High School

1254 Rhea Co. High School

1297 Munford High School

1298 Wooddale High School

1318 Red Bank High School

1319 Jackson North Side High School

1332 Overton High School

1332 West High School

1333 Memphis Central High School

1346 Columbia Central High School

1347 Morristown-Hamblen High School East

1347 Northeast High School

 

Class 5A

1348 South Doyle High School

1361 Kenwood High School

1366 Heritage High School

1372 Campbell Co. High School

1378 Henry Co. High School

1381 McMinn Co. High School

1393 Clarksville High School

1426 Coffee Co. Central High School

1439 LaVergne High School

1446 Smyrna High School

1457 Oak Ridge High School

1461 Beech Senior High School

1462 Franklin High School

1465 Blackman High School

1483 Lebanon High School

1486 Millington Central High School

1500 Franklin Co. High School

1524 Sevier Co. High School

1525 Lincoln Co. High School

1548 Karns High School

1562 Glencliff High School

1567 William Blount High School

1568 Hamilton Senior High

1580 Centennial High School

1593 Ooltewah High School

1622 Hendersonville High School

1654 Brentwood High School

1661 Bearden High School

1671 Dobyns Bennett High School

1691 Central-Merry High School

1693 Gallatin High School

1695 Kirby High School

1724 Soddy Daisy High School

1746 Bolton High School

1746 Cumberland Co. High School

1752 Jefferson Co. High School

1760 Houston High School

1768 Hunters Lane High School

1768 Warren Co. High School

1848 Whitehaven High School

1885 Science Hill High School

1907 Cookeville High School

1910 White Station High School

1935 Collierville High School

1952 Bartlett High School

1969 Mt. Juliet High School

1982 Antioch High School

2034 Cordova High School

2071 McGavock High School

2136 Farragut High School

2144 Dickson Co. High School

2304 Bradley Central High School

2308 Germantown High School

2313 Riverdale High School

2359 Oakland High School

You really can't go by these numbers because there will be at least eight new schools in by 2005 plus old schools starting football for the first time in region play. East Ridge numbers will put them in AAA (under 900) and several schools will increase their numbers well above those from 2002. I have been told that IF the 5 or 6 private schools in the metro area DO NOT jump to DII, the CLASS A bracket will extend up to 400-420.

[pujo]

Hundington shows 424, alcoa 397. Nobody really knows what 2a schools will come down to 1a. The 1a schols got what they wanted. They don't seem to mind who drops down .

[ELA]

Hundington shows 424, alcoa 397. Nobody really knows what 2a schools will come down to 1a. The 1a schols got what they wanted. They don't seem to mind who drops down .

It will depend on what the private schools do... if they jump to DII, it will go up to about 380, but if they stay in it will be between 380-420?

[Baldcoach]

I haven't heard any talk about jumping to DII as of yet. I kind of think most of the DI privates will stay, but so far I haven't proven to be too much of a prophet, so who knows?