Cleveland High School Recruiting

[cbg]

2 hours ago, cowcatcherII said:

I think that's the main difference with how people view Cleveland v. Baylor or even McCallie for that matter. 

Baylor and McCallie fans aren't trying to tell anyone they're great because they work harder than everyone. Unless I have missed something I haven't seen any Baylor or McCallie folks try to tell you they don't have built in advantages being a boarding school and having the ability to pluck talent from other schools every year. 

I would be interested to hear @durdon 's , @oceansize42 's, and @cbg's thoughts on all this.

My thoughts are that if a student/athlete transfers from any school to a boarding school after they have an established high school athletic record they should be required to sit out one full academic year.  Example:  someone attends a public or private school in New York and transfers to a board school in Tennessee as a sophomore they should be required to sit out and not compete their sophomore year.  Now if the student/athlete is a national champion as an 8th grader and they transfer to a boarding school during their freshman year they are eligible immediately as a freshman.  

[texas23]

I always find this kind of complaining about "recruiting" to be puzzling.  Why does anyone care about where some kid chooses to attend high school?  If the kid was going to win state at DB, then will he not still win it a Cleveland HS?  Oh wait, the previous school should own the rights to that kids secondary school record and services.

 

Also, making a person sit out means what?  I question the reason behind such a rule.  It can only really be looked at as punitive actions against a teen age person.  

[Whoweft]

The days of sitting out are coming to a close. The TSSAA has very little discretion on this --the law passed by the TN General Assembly last April/May was pretty clear.  

I think this will result in chaos and am not crazy about it.  

 

[FR615]

43 minutes ago, cbg said:

My thoughts are that if a student/athlete transfers from any school to a boarding school after they have an established high school athletic record they should be required to sit out one full academic year.  Example:  someone attends a public or private school in New York and transfers to a board school in Tennessee as a sophomore they should be required to sit out and not compete their sophomore year.  Now if the student/athlete is a national champion as an 8th grader and they transfer to a boarding school during their freshman year they are eligible immediately as a freshman.  

I always appreciate your takes and think you are one of the best and most insightful posters on this board. I completely disagree on this. I think every kid should have a one time transfer right to play immediately. Boarding, private and public. 

[TheTreyB]

9 hours ago, cobrakid8 said:

I don't think forums or even infighting is going to cause the death of the sport or for it not to grow! First, I've put it before on this forum but last I checked the sport as a whole across the country is down from 20 years ago, we can add as many divisions as we want and that isn't going to change. This generation as a whole is much more into technology and that has caused some of the not growing to happen, much more simpler for them to jump on a video game when they get home from school than it was for some of us growing up! 

 

 I love picking on TreyB, it's been easy to rile him up and get him going, BUT I do think it's toxic to say they are only so much better than everyone else because of outworking everyone! That is toxic talk because they completely overlook any other advantages that they have and talk down to anyone else by saying they just outwork everyone!  Not even taking into account the many schools across the state that have to share their gyms with many other sports, don't have a private space to have their clubs meet at any time any place, I mean you can see higher calling on facebook being open for practice when many other teams and even clubs don't have that ability because they can only practice where and when they are let to practice(by the way how many public school clubs have their own private practice facilities dedicated to wrestling)?   That toxic talk is what gets on some of our nerves, because it is taking away from the many of amazing coaches across the state that do not have the same resources and have to work just as hard to maintain what they do have, while I could tell you that there are many coaches I am friends with right now that could easily take over at Cleveland and continue their absolute killing of public schools and quite a few that could take over for Josh Bosken right now and keep HCWC head and shoulders above most other clubs throughout the state.  What I DO GIVE JOSH credit for is the vision he had to create this club and take it to the level he has, however, would he be able to do the same moving down into South Georgia or even into Alabama without the resources that were given to that vision by Allan Jones and friends? It's not to take away from Josh because he is amazing and a GREAT guy to boot also, however it is a question I have with it all in was this just a perfect storm from having Allan Jones that was tired of seeing Bradley kick their butts for so many years just opening his checkbook and resources and saying, hey lets make this happen and I dont care what all the costs are!

Cleveland is the best public school in the state and I do believe they give Baylor, McCallie and FR a run for the money as best in the entire state and will for a very long time, just please stop with the rhetoric that we just outwork everyone and see the advantages that they have and just keep using those and becoming one of the better teams across the country and not just the state! 

 

 

 

 

I promise… you don’t get me worked up. Honestly think it’s funny. Several others do as well. 

[TheTreyB]

8 hours ago, cowcatcherII said:

This is so true, and I think the fact that their coaches have felt the need to post about it in the past is very telling.. Can you imagine if some Baylor person were firing off defamation against one of the Cleveland coaches the way the Cleveland guy on the other thread has been talking about Baylor's coach?? 

I also think it's so funny that Cleveland fans and coaches always love to say that Alan Jones isn't the main reason for their success and that he gives Bradley the same funding every year... it's laughable. Do these same people not realize that Alan's son wrestled for and graduated from Cleveland around the same time the money really started pouring in? You cannot tell me that he provides Cleveland's biggest rival with the same financial resources. It would be impossible for Alan not to be biased and you can't blame him for that. If I were a millionaire and my son graduated from Alabama, it would be crazy to think I would want to give as much money to Auburn as I give to Alabama. It's his hard earned money and he can do what he wants with it. Let's just not try to undermine his impact. 

All that to say, I haven't ever read where anyone on this board tries to say Cleveland doesn't work hard, or their coaches don't put in a lot of work, and their kids club isn't elite. All of that is true and most people on this board acknowledge that. I think it's just that the Cleveland people try to down play Alan's impact. If Alan Jones doesn't exist, the Cleveland Dynasty of the past 10-15 years doesn't exist. That is a fact. He has made everything that has transpired possible. 

If you disagree with that, I would challenge you to answer this... why wasn't Cleveland consistently on top prior to Alan's financial involvement? Cleveland was a very respectable team under Coach Miller, but they were never elite prior to Alan's financial backing.

Again I know for a fact that Allan gives the other two schools on the county the same opportunity to the money that Cleveland gets. They don’t try to fundraise. Cleveland does all of the time.  I’m sorry you hate hearing these kinds of facts but it’s true. He wants the county itself to be strong in wrestling. Unfortunately the other two schools doesn’t capitalize on his offerings. 

[cobrakid8]

10 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

Again I know for a fact that Allan gives the other two schools on the county the same opportunity to the money that Cleveland gets. They don’t try to fundraise. Cleveland does all of the time.  I’m sorry you hate hearing these kinds of facts but it’s true. He wants the county itself to be strong in wrestling. Unfortunately the other two schools doesn’t capitalize on his offerings. 

Glad you know that for a fact, maybe you need to talk to Ben Smith about that, because Allan bent him over when he tried to get their fundraising matched many years ago and I knew that way before Lee mentioned it on here! He could care less about Bradley being good at wrestling and that stems from Steve L not taking the job from him when he offered it to him! He got butthurt and has pretty much poured his resources(not just money) into Cleveland and HCWC!  Heck this is just another thing you would be proven wrong about again, at this point you and your Cleveland buddies might be laughing but the rest of the state is laughing at you all!

[TheTreyB]

1 minute ago, cobrakid8 said:

Glad you know that for a fact, maybe you need to talk to Ben Smith about that, because Allan bent him over when he tried to get their fundraising matched many years ago and I knew that way before Lee mentioned it on here! He could care less about Bradley being good at wrestling and that stems from Steve L not taking the job from him when he offered it to him! He got butthurt and has pretty much poured his resources(not just money) into Cleveland and HCWC!  Heck this is just another thing you would be proven wrong about again, at this point you and your Cleveland buddies might be laughing but the rest of the state is laughing at you all!

Do you realize he has been paying Steve the last 2 years to run their beginner program? Let me guess? That’s a lie? 

[TheTreyB]

I have read on here about a contract. But I’ve yet to see it. I’d just like to read it showing Rex offered and Knox said no. I’ll wait. I said I had proof and showed him go mute. 

[TheTreyB]

4 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

Glad you know that for a fact, maybe you need to talk to Ben Smith about that, because Allan bent him over when he tried to get their fundraising matched many years ago and I knew that way before Lee mentioned it on here! He could care less about Bradley being good at wrestling and that stems from Steve L not taking the job from him when he offered it to him! He got butthurt and has pretty much poured his resources(not just money) into Cleveland and HCWC!  Heck this is just another thing you would be proven wrong about again, at this point you and your Cleveland buddies might be laughing but the rest of the state is laughing at you all!

I will have AJ deny your next payday loan if you keep lying about him. Haha

[cobrakid8]

3 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

Do you realize he has been paying Steve the last 2 years to run their beginner program? Let me guess? That’s a lie? 

Which is why my youngest about left HCWC to go to Pride for the beginner program instead of being ignored as he was at HC, but up to that point he did jack crap for Ben. Maybe he didn’t like Ben, I have no idea but the damage was done when he turned his back on Ben and it screwed that program. So yeah I talked to Steve, he sat in our corner at the Bradley beginners tourney last season since we could only get a kid form the HC program to sit in his corner while a few other kids had 2 coaches in theirs. But, no I have no idea what I saw or talked to Steve about! You are so FOS it’s prob coming out your ears!

[cobrakid8]

3 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

I will have AJ deny your next payday loan if you keep lying about him. Haha

Don’t need crap from the robber baron, he’s the opposite of Robin Hood, taking from the poor and giving back to himself!