Cleveland vs McCallie Dual: Who wins at their best?

[TheTreyB]

53 minutes ago, Ummmno said:

says the troll

#weknowummmno

[desselle]

1 hour ago, TheTreyB said:

It’s crazy how far out we have got a general idea of our lineup for when they hit HS

I’m not saying I know what their lineup will be. But when they get to MS and see 5-6 kids around the same weight they may start to look else where so they can hit the HS line up earlier. There are like 20 MS weight classes only 14 weights in HS. Some kids will be left out. 

[JSamson7]

6 hours ago, desselle said:

I’m not saying I know what their lineup will be. But when they get to MS and see 5-6 kids around the same weight they may start to look else where so they can hit the HS line up earlier. There are like 20 MS weight classes only 14 weights in HS. Some kids will be left out. 

22 weight classes in TNAAU to be exact which IMO is WAY too much. That was one of the reasons I liked coaching the MS conference events that had around 12-14 weight classes more so than the Top 100/Region/State events back in the day.

[Rasslinking]

16 hours ago, desselle said:

I’m not saying I know what their lineup will be. But when they get to MS and see 5-6 kids around the same weight they may start to look else where so they can hit the HS line up earlier. There are like 20 MS weight classes only 14 weights in HS. Some kids will be left out. 

Rest of the state better hope so..... they are loaded, again

[ohreally15]

On 2/7/2024 at 8:28 PM, Rasslinking said:

Who are you referring to when you say "they" wont be talking about in 10-20 years. Do you really think anyone will be talking about a HS dual meet that happened 20 years ago? Stop being silly.

Im sure a Daddy on coacht has no influence over getting a dual meet scheduled.

Why do you get so aggressive and unnecessarily hostile with people in here? @CarlSpackler88 is just telling you what he thinks would happen. He is also constantly praising how good Cleveland is as a team and will be next year. Yet you’re constantly coming at and bashing McCallies whole program. Just relax….its a healthy debate on a good matchup between two good teams. 

[desselle]

1 hour ago, Rasslinking said:

Rest of the state better hope so..... they are loaded, again

They will be loaded for a while. 

[CaptainGuru]

4 hours ago, Rasslinking said:

Rest of the state better hope so..... they are loaded, again

Cleveland Raiders are always loaded. Cleveland Raiders have the best wrestling in the state. Cleveland Raiders are just to good not to win the championship again in 2025. It will happen. I guarantee it. Watch and see. I am Captain Guru and I approve this message.

[ohreally15]

On 2/9/2024 at 8:37 AM, desselle said:

They will be loaded for a while. 

That’s true but so will McCallie it looks like. They only have two seniors and maybe one junior I believe. The rest are 8th and 9th graders with a couple sophomores. Excited to see them battle it out over the next few years

[cbg]

Both Cleveland and McCallie have good teams.  I wish that someone would do a weight class by weight class analysis of both teams using the kids and the weights they are for the region tournament.

[CaptainGuru]

16 hours ago, ohreally15 said:

That’s true but so will McCallie it looks like. They only have two seniors and maybe one junior I believe. The rest are 8th and 9th graders with a couple sophomores. Excited to see them battle it out over the next few years

Cleveland Raiders and McCallie Tornado will have some good matches. I do not think either team will skunk the other team much less mercy rule them. It will not happen. I guarantee it. I am Captain Guru and I approve this message.

[ohreally15]

6 hours ago, cbg said:

Both Cleveland and McCallie have good teams.  I wish that someone would do a weight class by weight class analysis of both teams using the kids and the weights they are for the region tournament.

Weight Class	Cleveland Wrestler	Record	Grade	vs	McCallie Wrestler	Record	Grade
106	Jose Cordero	22-8	10	vs	Jaxon Lane	19-2	8
113	Chase Walker	15-6	11	vs	Axel Ritchie	38-7	10
120	Colt Maughon	17-8	10	vs	Brody Connell	30-13	10
126	Zac Bosken	26-7	11	vs	Cainan Williams	31-12	8
132	Kaden Rice	11-8	11	vs	Dylan Villers	20-5	8
138	Blake Congdon	19-10	&n	vs	Cooper Ledbetter	30-11	8
144	Roman York	12-12	11	vs	Zaydan Morgan	29-9	9
150	William Schuft	21-7	12	vs	Braden Ryan	23-14	10
157	Cy Fowler	23-6	11	vs	Cannon Voiles	24-14	9
165	Logan Fowler	23-1	12	vs	James Cross	28-8	12
175	Dylan Harrold	13-6	12	vs	Fischer French	2-2	10
190	Lucas Szymborski	22-2	11	vs	Ja`Von McMahan	19-9	12
215/220	Gabe Moore (220)	22-9	10	vs	Cooper Gentle (215)	25-9	10
285	Tyson Russel	27-6	11	vs	Carson Gentle	2-0	12

 

Below is what I believe would happen in a straight up head to head matchup with no weight shift. Ill let y'all play around with what may happen in terms of shifting weights for advantage.

1. 106: Jaxon Lane wins by decision (maybe pin) - Assuming decision: 3 points for McCallie (If pin: 6 points)
2. 113: Chase Walker wins by decision - 3 points for Cleveland
3. 120: Brody Connell wins by decision - 3 points for McCallie
4. 126: Zac Bosken wins by major decision - 4 points for Cleveland
5. 132: Dylan Villers wins by decision - 3 points for McCallie
6. 138: Information not enough to determine
7. 144: Zaydan Morgan wins by major or pin - Assuming major: 4 points for McCallie (If pin: 6 points)
8. 150: Information not enough to determine
9. 157: Cy Fowler wins by pin - 6 points for Cleveland
10. 165: Logan Fowler wins by pin - 6 points for Cleveland
11. 175: Dylan Harrold wins by decision (maybe pin) - Assuming decision: 3 points for Cleveland (If pin: 6 points)
12. 190: Lucas Szymborski wins by decision - 3 points for Cleveland
13. 215/220: Cooper Gentle wins by fall - 6 points for McCallie
14. 285: Carson Gentle wins by fall - 6 points for McCallie

Let's calculate the points, noting the weights where information is insufficient for determination (138 and 150).

Based on the outcomes I've suggested and assuming the lower point values for ambiguous outcomes (decision instead of pin where unsure), the final team scores are:

• Cleveland: 25 points
• McCallie: 25 points

Looks like a very tight good matchup!

 

Below are the starting lineups with links to their track profiles if you want.

Cleveland's Starting Lineup (From Sectionals):

106- Jose Cordero
CLEV, 22-8, 10

113- Chase Walker
CLEV, 15-6, 11

120- Colt Maughon
CLEV, 17-8, 10

126- Zac Bosken
CLEV, 26-7, 11

132- Kaden Rice
CLEV, 11-8, 11

138- Blake Congdon
CLEV, 19-10, &n

144- Roman York
CLEV, 12-12, 11

150- William Schuft
CLEV, 21-7, 12

157- Cy Fowler
CLEV, 23-6, 11

165- Logan Fowler
CLEV, 23-1, 12

175- Dylan Harrold
CLEV, 13-6, 12

190- Lucas Szymborski
CLEV, 22-2, 11

220- Gabe Moore
CLEV, 22-9, 10

285- Tyson Russel
CLEV, 27-6, 11

 

McCallie's Starting Lineup (From Regionals):

106- Jaxon Lane
MCSC, 19-2, 8

113- Axel Ritchie
MCSC, 38-7, 10

120- Brody Connell
MCSC, 30-13, 10

126- Cainan Williams
MCSC, 31-12, 8

132- Dylan Villers
MCSC, 20-5, 8

138- Cooper Ledbetter
MCSC, 30-11, 8

144- Zaydan Morgan
MCSC, 29-9, 9

150- Braden Ryan
MCSC, 23-14, 10

157- Cannon Voiles
MCSC, 24-14, 9

165- James Cross
MCSC, 28-8, 12

175- Fischer French
MCSC, 2-2, 10

190- Ja`Von McMahan
MCSC, 19-9, 12

215- Cooper Gentle
MCSC, 25-9, 10

285- Carson Gentle
MCSC, 2-0, 12

[LocalHero]

On 2/9/2024 at 6:55 AM, Rasslinking said:

Rest of the state better hope so..... they are loaded, again

How do you think your Soddy team would do with Cleveland