Coach Bashing

[ambiguousrock]

The YANKER feels like this board is not the place to bash coaches. Just because you have played the game of football does not mean that you know how to coach. People hide behind their fake names and lash out at coaches and I find it ridiculous. You can all have your opinion but I will NEVER change mine. None of you out there can come and tell me how to do my job better than I do, unless you are in the same profession. I do not care if you have played football all of your life and watched it on TV for the last fifty years... Nothing qualifies you to bash coaches on here. Those of you who played the game and watch it on TV and think that certifies you as expert enough to bash coaches on here are comical!!!!! Many of you out there will disagree with me and that is just fine...because I am not changing!

 

First off, I think the term "Bash" does not apply to all posters. Some posters criticize the coach, but with reason.

 

Secondly, people that do have a problem with coaches do not have that problem because they think THEY can do a better job than the coach. It is because they feel that there is ANOTHER COACH that can do a better job.

[billiard13]

The most moronic statements being made on this thread are "I'd like to see these people bash these coaches face to face." THIS IS A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. High school football includes coaches, and teams that are performing poorly do so in part because of coaching.

 

We have every right to be angry at the coaches of our team. I pay $50 a year to see my team play, and my team is going to go 0-10. Should I just sit back and say "Oh, well I can't blame it on anyone." NO. I'm an angry fan. There is a reason for my team going 0-10. And that reason is coaching. Plain and simple. It's been that way for 10 years, and excuse me for getting fed up with mediocre records year after year. In 10 years, my team has been to the playoffs, as a 4th seed, twice. Compare that to Ravenwood, who has already been to the playoffs twice, and has WON A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. When I see the amount of success other teams in Williamson County have enjoyed, I have no other option but to question why my team hasn't had similar success. I know first hand that it's not a lack of talent. So it leads back to coaching.

 

I will never make fun of a coach on a personal level, but I WILL talk about his past history, strictly because it helps enforce what is an already known fact where I live. That fact: The coach leading my team is a proven loser on the football field.

 

I'm sick of coming home from games with an empty feeling in my stomach. I want my team to win. Is that a crime? I don't believe so.

 

As long as personal attacks are not involved, I see no reason why posters on here shouldn't be able to question a coache's choices and point the finger when things turn sour.

 

Amen.

 

Our coach wasn't attacked personally, his reputation was actually commended. His coaching abilities, on the other hand, have been increasingly questioned for 3 years now. We're spiraling downward as a program, having been very successful in the years leading up to our coach's arrival. The talent is there and plenty of it. They just don't want to play for the coach. Having seen some of the questionable play calling this past year alone, i'd say we, as supporters of the program, have a right to wonder why the kids don't want to play for him and why we have such strange play calling on the field.

 

Nobody is questioning his character, i've met him and like him. I just wonder if maybe he would be better suited as an assistant coach because what's more important, the coach or the success of the program?

 

We had some kids stir up trouble last year and I thought the coach handled it well. The kids were removed from the program and rightfully so. It's too bad the parents supported the kid's actions and just took them elsewhere to play instead of standing up and admitting they made a mistake. These were mostly kids already in the program, not incoming freshmen.

 

All that said, there are still issues with kids wanting to play at the freshmen level and even other kids at the higher grades. Kids that are talented coming out of very successful middle school programs. Why? That's not coach bashing people, that's wanting to know why kids don't want to play for this coach and should we continue down that path? That is a legitimate concern.

 

As for the play calling, yes, if a coach is making mistake after mistake that is costing his team games, then it also needs questioned. When you see someone making a mistake, do you always just turn and look the other way or do you wonder why? That's what is wrong with today's society to begin with, too many people just look the other way until a situation escalates and spirals out of control.

 

I find it ironic that many of the folks that come on here and try to say we're coach bashing are from programs that are successful on some level. Well guess what folks, ours isn't successful and complacency leads to mediocre results. We care, so we simply question it when we see problems within the program. Nobody is attacking his character, we're simply questioning whether he is capable of being a good high school head football coach.

 

Believe me, folks talk about it at the game and unfortunately I all too often have to sit within earshot of the dozens of unhappy fans yelling at him at the games. Something I don't think is going to help the situation at all. Those of us on here are trying to take a different approach and simply strike up a discussion about it and maybe come up with some ideas of how to 'right the ship'. If that can be done with coach still in place, GREAT!

 

I think our coach has started to show some resolve to correct some issues, by attending the middle school games and making himself available to the incoming players. I just hope the play calling improves by next year as well.

 

Folks, nobody is bashing the coach, and i'm certainly not, but I would like to see our once proud program return to where it should be. We have GREAT kids here for the most part and they give their best in most cases, but it's our responsibility as a community to give them the best chance possible to be successful. No, you don't have to win to be successful, but you should always strive to win at everything you do in life. That includes coaching and if an overwhelming percentage of the community (believe me, the numbers are more staggering than you realize here at the games and in coffee shops everywhere) questions your current course of action, then I would hope you're open to listening to new ideas and advice, making changes if necessary. This can be done without sacrificing integrity. Coaching is method based. Yes, coaches teach kids many things, including discipline and even respect in some instances, but sadly, that shouldn't be their job. Their main job is to teach them a sport and give them a chance to succeed.

 

Accepting all the out of county transfers and the lack of kids at tryout (40+ kids out of an enrollment of over 2200) by simply saying they don't like discipline, we don't need them, is not a sign of a good coach. Do what you have to in order to get them out playing, then instill a sense of pride in them for doing so and they'll learn the discipline along the way.

 

I really believe coach is working towards correcting this after talking with a few folks in the know recently, and I can only hope i'm right. He is a good guy and a great citizen, I just hope he ends up being a good football coach in the end as well.

Edited October 16, 2006 by billiard13

[jabbo]

jabbo,

 

Agree with you about questioning play calling.

What I'm talking about is when a poster starts

attacking a coach's reputation and past history.

Comments such as "Is it time to start questioning

the coaching," "We'd have more kids in the program

if the coach left," and "He has never been a good

coach."

 

I saw one recent post in which a self-proclaimed

supporter of the team said that the head coach

has never won a big game. That same head coach

has won a state title for that team.

 

Posters are posting that head coaches are presently

searching for other jobs. I know that in one case

that is not true, and probably not true in other

situations as well.

 

Sure, coaching is a public job. But posters have

to be held to some standards. In the old days,

some newspapers would not report a story

without two confirmed sources.

 

On these boards, anyone can post anything, which

is not necessarily a good thing.

 

 

You're absolutely right. I think frustration with a given game or season can push people over the line sometimes (with some people it can do it every time) - it's happened to me, but interestingly enough since I've been on Coacht and read criticism that goes too far I've become more understanding of the coach's position. Kinda like when you see someone's kids acting like complete heathens, and you tell yourself that you're not going to let your kids act like that.

[jabbo]

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Nobody is questioning his character, i've met him and like him. I just wonder if maybe he would be better suited as an assistant coach because what's more important, the coach or the success of the program?

 

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David Cutcliffe may be a good example of that. I admire the man for taking an assistant job after having had a head coaching job. Not many head coaches (college or high school) would do that, mostly because of ego. Hence you have head coaches that will only take another head coaching job, even though they really don't have what it takes. Keep in mind that they probably aren't aware that they're doing this...the ego can do terrible things to a person.

Edited October 16, 2006 by jabbo

[getright]

It is not about questioning play calling or going for it on 4th down. It is about questioning character and even going as far as saying that his record is not good enough. there are many fine coaches who have poor records. Also, there are some really good coaches who would not dare touch some jobs. The reason is fan base, $ and talent level as well as past history of the program and administration. There are also coaches who do a wonderful job bringing programs out of the depths of 0-10 records but have to endure several years of poor play to get quality. By then their overall record is not good but there is no doubt that they are a good coach. I would rather my son play for a hard working dedicated Christian coach who taught him how to play the game and work hard, than for someone who had no discipline used players to get a good record and had no respect for or from his players no matter what the final record was.

 

Coaches I would like my kid to play for - Bill Curry types and just look at his record. Also, I would love my son to play for Hal Mumme - He has made several mistakes but I feel that he would be a great role model for not giving up on yourself

[JC4life]

"It doesn't do any good to sit up and take notice if you keep on sitting."

 

I WILL NOT simply sit by and watch the program sink deeper and deeper, because its not about a single coach or a single player, its about the program. The program take precedent over a single player OR coach. You hear a lot of people that say that you can`t let one player be bigger than the program, the same applies for a coach. Just because you are the head coach DOES NOT give you the right to do whatever you want or treat people however you want because what actions the head coach does has consequences. We are feeling the consequences right now.

[Bighurt]

In my opinion, StanTrott is absolutely correct. As a moderator (and not a coach), I will delete a post that crosses the line on bashing a coach (or a player and my threshold for player-bashing is a lot lower).

 

Please support your programs including the coaches in a positive manner. Coaches aren't always right but the last time I checked I am not always right either.

 

Bashing coaches on CoachT is never the best way to support your favorite program. If you have a problem with a coach, go to him. If the results there aren't satisfactory, go to the AD or principal of the school.

[Ole Dad]

Don't say that to Stan, he shuts down anything he doesn't like already.

 

Ole Dad

 

With the power the Internet has to access information worldwide, it also created forums for people of like interests to discuss those interests.

 

Unfortunately in some cases, the anonymity it provides takes away the social or legal veneer of responsibility.

There is no boundry for comments that are not factual, illogical, or hyper-critical; no is there no boundry for immoral, illegal, or disgusting comments. The only barrier is the rules within the online communities that self-police.

 

On this board we have moderators. It is up to the moderators to inforce our agreed upon guidelines. If Coach T and the moderators don't want a topic or thread, they can and do end it.

 

I agree on what you are speaking; however, ALL unfounded comments can be damaging, particularly for the families. Rumors have been spread here and people have been hurt.

 

This should be a topic for the powers that be to see whether or not these comments should be allowed.

 

If posters don't like this, then start your own "www. FIRE COACH WHOMEVER.com"

Then you will attract your type of people.

[Solomon]

Here's this moderator's take.

 

If it involves putting down a player in any regard and I see it, I will remove it. I have no time for people who have nothing better to do than to run down a 14-18 year old about his athletic ability or a mistake he may have made. No matter how much we want them to be semi-professionals, they are still kids.

 

Coaching is a fine line. I agree that there are many programs where the coach feels he is bigger than a program and it becomes a problem. I also know that sometimes a coach should have gone for it on 4th down instead of punting or should have played number 8 at QB instead of number 14. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on that. However, I rarely see a post where that is all that is said. The coaches are usually called cheaters, liars, etc. or they are calling for them to be fired.

 

Usually I take an approach of "would I want this said about me or my family" or "would I say this to the person's face". If I can't answer yes to both of those, then I will not post it, or I will delete the post about the coach.

 

If you have a problem with a post, please hit the report button. Moderators can't read every post on here, but every moderator will receive notification of it, and if action needs to be taken it will.

[ZCAR]

Here's this moderator's take.

 

 

If you have a problem with a post, please hit the report button. Moderators can't read every post on here, but every moderator will receive notification of it, and if action needs to be taken it will.

 

Good to hear Solomon one of our players was targeted last week for no apparent reason. Again he had to silence his critics by putting up big numbers in last friday nights game. Then the board became quiet. His thread has still not been closed and sits on page 3 or 4. Most team threads are policed by the true fans and its works itself out. But the report button will be used if any more targeting is started.

[lax4life32]

It may be a joke to you, but I promise you that that

you don't have the guts to make the comments to

the coach's face. Who would be laughing if the

poster had to stand up in the light of day and make

his/her comments? Try making them in the coach’s

office or at a booster meeting. Bashing a coach on

these boards creates no positive results.

 

How often do you see a newspaper reporter write

about a high school coach's character and try to

destroy a coach's reputation? Do you ever see a reporter

write that the high school coach is the "problem"?

 

There should be some guidelines on these boards

about posters trying to destroy a coach's reputation.

Posters who hide behind a keyboard start rumors

about coaches looking for other jobs and other things

that are completely false.

 

These posts not only hurt the coaches and their teams,

but the coaches have families who read this stuff. The

lack of self-control and monitoring of the posts has

created a negative impact.

 

If you see someone bashing a coach on these boards,

please don't ignore the posts. If the cowards who make

these posts are challenged, then maybe their negative

impact will be minimized.

 

 

Dude i havent seen any character trashing. All i have seen is talkin about whether a coach is good or bad and what kind of job they do. I actually would stand up to a coach and tell him how i feel if i had to.

[Footballen]

one word, "Entertainment". Trust me, i get bashed daily on and off the internet. It has caused me great heartache, but the people who bash will not meet the person they bash. Then that is a coward. Hiding behind a screan name. Many on my boards, and I laugh at them. They look so stupid, but it is what makes us who we are in this world. Men and Boys. A man stands his ground, and a boy hides. However, all have the right to speak, but if you do, be a man and back your talk as a person. Not a screen name.

 

 

message to all negative foes in region 6-4AAAA

 

Lets all be here for the athletes, not for our own self prestige.