Dobyns Bennett

[BVDevil]

On 10/18/2018 at 10:50 AM, blazer1set said:

Schedule up???      DB played non-conference games this year against Greeneville (4A), Alcoa (3A) and Oak Ridge (5A).    All but Oak Ridge are expected to win the gold ball in Cookeville, and I would not count out Oak Ridge in that either, their only loss was to Farragut by 6 points.

i beleive OR also lost to FULL-TON didnt they? DB has been beating up on also rans for years and now that they are  playing a better OOC schedule, the results of all those "Graham years" are coming back to roost IMO. G'man retires and what do they do.....hire someone from the G'man "tree". If you keep doing the same ole things, you'll keep getting the same ole results. DB is never going to compete for the 6a gold until they get a coach in there who is willing to change the whole culture...and good lord i hate that term, but right now, that's the way of the day. I personally think DB is doing a GREAT job with their football program....keep it up Injun.....'roll tribe.....hehehe

[blazer1set]

36 minutes ago, BVDevil said:

i beleive OR also lost to FULL-TON didnt they? DB has been beating up on also rans for years and now that they are  playing a better OOC schedule, the results of all those "Graham years" are coming back to roost IMO. G'man retires and what do they do.....hire someone from the G'man "tree". If you keep doing the same ole things, you'll keep getting the same ole results. DB is never going to compete for the 6a gold until they get a coach in there who is willing to change the whole culture...and good lord i hate that term, but right now, that's the way of the day. I personally think DB is doing a GREAT job with their football program....keep it up Injun.....'roll tribe.....hehehe

Yes, OR lost to Fulton a week after I posted.

BVD, you probably already know this, but Greeneville's state title game in Cookeville is on Thursday Nov 29 at 3pm instead of on Saturday Dec 1.      That is a bummer because I was wanting to see the Devils win another one.    Are you going to be able to make the annual pilgrimage to Cookeville?

[BatmanDevil]

3 hours ago, BVDevil said:

i beleive OR also lost to FULL-TON didnt they? DB has been beating up on also rans for years and now that they are  playing a better OOC schedule, the results of all those "Graham years" are coming back to roost IMO. G'man retires and what do they do.....hire someone from the G'man "tree". If you keep doing the same ole things, you'll keep getting the same ole results. DB is never going to compete for the 6a gold until they get a coach in there who is willing to change the whole culture...and good lord i hate that term, but right now, that's the way of the day. I personally think DB is doing a GREAT job with their football program....keep it up Injun.....'roll tribe.....hehehe

Hey brother,I just happen to think of the ironic thing here with the ( DB Indians ) and my family as I read your post.My son that didn't go to DB and you my brother are the true Indian's in my family at the end of the day.

[WaCoJaCo]

9 hours ago, BVDevil said:

i beleive OR also lost to FULL-TON didnt they? DB has been beating up on also rans for years and now that they are  playing a better OOC schedule, the results of all those "Graham years" are coming back to roost IMO. G'man retires and what do they do.....hire someone from the G'man "tree". If you keep doing the same ole things, you'll keep getting the same ole results. DB is never going to compete for the 6a gold until they get a coach in there who is willing to change the whole culture...and good lord i hate that term, but right now, that's the way of the day. I personally think DB is doing a GREAT job with their football program....keep it up Injun.....'roll tribe.....hehehe

You are 100% correct in most of what you say in this post, but the "beating up on also rans" comment is off base. People that belong to the "DB Haters Club" like to advance that false ideal that the only wins DB has had over the years is over teams like Central and Volunteer. Sorry but I have to call BS on that one.  And I'm pretty sure Greenville has played Central and Volunteer more recent than DB.  Every good team in the state has their "Centrals and Volunteers" on schedule year in and year out. Even Maryville has two or three on their schedule every year. I just wish people would stop throwing that one up in our faces. Anybody with half a brain knows better.

[WaCoJaCo]

On ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 6:49 PM, DBGRAD70 said:

Well, the dang DB Band parents better take a lesson from ETSU.  They had a very good marching band program over there for years but the football program stunk and was terminated.  That was the end of the good ole marching band program at ETSU. it became a skeleton of its former self.

So, Band Parents ... get your rear ends in gear and complain from the athletic director all the way up to the Board of Education.  Generate enough negative press that the current BOE would be jettisoned if they don't do something meaningful.  Run for BOE positions.  Make things happen at that level.  If you don't, kiss your band program goodbye.

It is absolutely fool hardy to continue to forgive this coaching staff for their ineptitude.  And yes, the former head coach is at fault here.  His finger prints are all over this year's problems.  There needs to be a REAL nationwide, or at least regional search for a proven head coach and he needs to be given the power to build a new coaching staff at DB.  Then and only then can you begin the countdown looking at how the feeder program is working and the effect of that and how well new coaching staff is improving the program at DB.  Right now, it is probably in the hands of the band parents - if this is now a band school.  Blame them when the band program starts to crumble.  These two programs are linked whether they like it or not.

LOL! I know you mean well but this will never happen. It was the band parents that complained when the coaches ask the band director not to play while DB was on offense. (It's amazing they would even have to do that). DB has a great band but their arrogance is off the charts. Most band parents couldn't care less about the football team. I almost expect them to demand the band performs before the games just so they won't have to sit through the first half of football before heading home.

Get used to 2 or 4 win seasons. The athletic director was once an assistant coach under Clark and is as "good ole boy" as you can get. He was given  this position for a reason. "They" have this thing locked down. They only hire people that are loyal to the group. Bringing in former players that have zero coaching experience is not a good formula for success. I finally did hear Christian admit they have a problem on defense after the Mo. West game. But he didn't say it was a coaching problem. I'd bet the farm there will not be a positive change on the defensive coaching side. I don't think DB will ever have another good football team. 

 

Edited October 30, 2018 by WaCoJaCo

[IndianNation01]

23 hours ago, IndiansForLife said:

Well from the quotes in the paper it looks like Christian is planning to continue on as head coach. I look for them to schedule Tennessee High, South, and North for the out of conference games. I could easily see them using the excuse that they want to play those Sullivan County rivalries one more time. I expect no changes with the staff, which is disappointing. I hope Shively will at least make a statement in support, letting everyone know why they at taking the direction they are taking.

No, they won’t. They will continue with the tuff schedule. 

[blazer1set]

14 hours ago, WaCoJaCo said:

You are 100% correct in most of what you say in this post, but the "beating up on also rans" comment is off base. People that belong to the "DB Haters Club" like to advance that false ideal that the only wins DB has had over the years is over teams like Central and Volunteer. Sorry but I have to call BS on that one.  And I'm pretty sure Greenville has played Central and Volunteer more recent than DB.  Every good team in the state has their "Centrals and Volunteers" on schedule year in and year out. Even Maryville has two or three on their schedule every year. I just wish people would stop throwing that one up in our faces. Anybody with half a brain knows better.

Here are the stats for the last 10 years.   Playing Tri-cities teams definitely generates a favorable winning ratio (85%), but playing out of area teams is still > .500 on the wins as well.   Every team in every state has some cupcakes on their schedule as you say, and that includes colleges.    I believe Christian could have been 7-3 this year if he didn't have to deal with the likes of Alcoa, Greeneville, etc. but he stepped into a mess not of his own doing, the deck was stacked against him from the start.    After next season we should get a true picture of the state of things in Kingsport.   And yes, before someone else says it, this time next year it may well be the same thing..

 

Year	overall	Tri-cities teams	non Tri-cities
2018	4-6	1-0	3-6
2017	7-3	0-1	7-2
2016	5-5	1-1	4-4
2015	4-6	1-1	3-5
2014	8-2	5-1	3-1
2013	6-4	5-1	1-3
2012	10-0	7-0	3-0
2011	10-0	7-0	3-0
2010	10-0	7-0	3-0
2009	5-5	5-2	0-3
TOTAL	69-31	39-7	30-24

[Red Rebels]

30 minutes ago, blazer1set said:

Here are the stats for the last 10 years.   Playing Tri-cities teams definitely generates a favorable winning ratio (85%), but playing out of area teams is still > .500 on the wins as well.   Every team in every state has some cupcakes on their schedule as you say, and that includes colleges.    I believe Christian could have been 7-3 this year if he didn't have to deal with the likes of Alcoa, Greeneville, etc. but he stepped into a mess not of his own doing, the deck was stacked against him from the start.    After next season we should get a true picture of the state of things in Kingsport.   And yes, before someone else says it, this time next year it may well be the same thing..

 

Year	overall	Tri-cities teams	non Tri-cities
2018	4-6	1-0	3-6
2017	7-3	0-1	7-2
2016	5-5	1-1	4-4
2015	4-6	1-1	3-5
2014	8-2	5-1	3-1
2013	6-4	5-1	1-3
2012	10-0	7-0	3-0
2011	10-0	7-0	3-0
2010	10-0	7-0	3-0
2009	5-5	5-2	0-3
TOTAL	69-31	39-7	30-24

Define Tri-Cities team.

That's for BatmanDB.

[Red Rebels]

11 hours ago, IndianNation01 said:

No, they won’t. They will continue with the tuff schedule. 

Edited October 30, 2018 by Red Rebels

[blazer1set]

1 hour ago, Red Rebels said:

Define Tri-Cities team.

That's for BatmanDB.

Tri-Cities = Science Hill, Sullivan Central, South, Boone, Volunteer, Crockett, Tennessee High

There are more schools in the Tri but the above are the only ones DB has played in the last 10 years.

[WaCoJaCo]

1 hour ago, blazer1set said:

Here are the stats for the last 10 years.   Playing Tri-cities teams definitely generates a favorable winning ratio (85%), but playing out of area teams is still > .500 on the wins as well.   Every team in every state has some cupcakes on their schedule as you say, and that includes colleges.    I believe Christian could have been 7-3 this year if he didn't have to deal with the likes of Alcoa, Greeneville, etc. but he stepped into a mess not of his own doing, the deck was stacked against him from the start.    After next season we should get a true picture of the state of things in Kingsport.   And yes, before someone else says it, this time next year it may well be the same thing..

 

Year	overall	Tri-cities teams	non Tri-cities
2018	4-6	1-0	3-6
2017	7-3	0-1	7-2
2016	5-5	1-1	4-4
2015	4-6	1-1	3-5
2014	8-2	5-1	3-1
2013	6-4	5-1	1-3
2012	10-0	7-0	3-0
2011	10-0	7-0	3-0
2010	10-0	7-0	3-0
2009	5-5	5-2	0-3
TOTAL	69-31	39-7	30-24

What if you replaced Alcoa, Greeneville and Oak Ridge with Elizabethton, David Crocket and Daniel Boone? All three Tri-Cities teams. DB would still be 4-6. The schedule is not the problem. The problem is coaching, top to bottom. I'll keep saying it, and proving it, until the cows come home.

[Red Rebels]

15 minutes ago, WaCoJaCo said:

What if you replaced Alcoa, Greeneville and Oak Ridge with Elizabethton, David Crocket and Daniel Boone? All three Tri-Cities teams. DB would still be 4-6. The schedule is not the problem. The problem is coaching, top to bottom. I'll keep saying it, and proving it, until the cows come home.