Arlington v. Dyer County Postgame

[TryNotToSuck]

2 hours ago, Onetownguy said:

So wonder if the TSSAA can come down with penalties since the judge just basically reset them. Just suspend the Arlington Coach and Players involved for 1 year. And Arlington can't host a home game for a year since they can't provide protection to opposing teams and coaches. 

Then what about the boys team?

[Bump11]

7 hours ago, Joyful95 said:

Judge rules in Arlington's favor.  Now Collierville is appealing that decision.

what a freakin joke

[Karl]

The blueprint has been laid for the rest of the state. If tssaa ever suspends your team just get an injuction from the courts. 

[Onetownguy]

8 hours ago, TryNotToSuck said:

Then what about the boys team?

Not punishing the boys team. Punishing the school. The boys team is playing. Just have to go on the road. If the school can’t provide proper security to visiting teams and coaches. 

[SportsWestTN]

5 hours ago, Karl said:

The blueprint has been laid for the rest of the state. If tssaa ever suspends your team just get an injuction from the courts. 

This blueprint has been out there. Happened during football too. Doesn't always work out, but is probably a better option then appealing to the TSSAA. 

[warmachine7954]

10 hours ago, OrangeGuru said:

Obviously you want to justify the Arlington coach and team. It occurred after the game and not because of anything that happened during the game. Was planned and facilitated by coach and team members. Was not a fight between teams. It was a preplanned assault. One in which criminal charges were filed. Those committing crime claim victim. There is no comparison.  Keep quaking. 

In no way have I justified anything or anyone. I've said nothing warrants a physical assault other than a phyical assault. Arlington should have the guts to investigate and do the right thing.

I'm from Dyer County. I wore Orange and White for 4 years. I've had more sweat drop on the old court (now Northview Middle) than people can imagine. I've been a volunteer coach at 3 Oaks, Northview, and helped a bit at DC. I know the realities of this place.

As a teacher I don't want to see kids get punished for things others do. 

You cannot in anyway shape form or fashion deny how the attitude around DC basketball has morphed since McCord has been there. Coach Hopkins was there from 94-2004 he didn't allow for the nonsense that goes on now. We had great fan support and the fans were welcoming. Pete Frodden took over and nothing like that would have even been considered. Fans were nonexistent so that wasn't a problem. Then McCord gets the job in 2007 immediately the whole program changed in a negative way. The players are running wild not just at school but in town too. I still go back from time to time and talk to some people I went to school with. All I hear is the negative. Coach Hopkins wasn't a people person by any means but no one bashed him 100% of the time. To top it off now visiting fans are saying the DC is a horrible place to go because fans are rude, cursing opposing teams, and just general rude behaviour. That is what is truly telling about how a place is being managed. 

 

[OrangeGuru]

58 minutes ago, warmachine7954 said:

In no way have I justified anything or anyone. I've said nothing warrants a physical assault other than a phyical assault. Arlington should have the guts to investigate and do the right thing.

I'm from Dyer County. I wore Orange and White for 4 years. I've had more sweat drop on the old court (now Northview Middle) than people can imagine. I've been a volunteer coach at 3 Oaks, Northview, and helped a bit at DC. I know the realities of this place.

As a teacher I don't want to see kids get punished for things others do. 

You cannot in anyway shape form or fashion deny how the attitude around DC basketball has morphed since McCord has been there. Coach Hopkins was there from 94-2004 he didn't allow for the nonsense that goes on now. We had great fan support and the fans were welcoming. Pete Frodden took over and nothing like that would have even been considered. Fans were nonexistent so that wasn't a problem. Then McCord gets the job in 2007 immediately the whole program changed in a negative way. The players are running wild not just at school but in town too. I still go back from time to time and talk to some people I went to school with. All I hear is the negative. Coach Hopkins wasn't a people person by any means but no one bashed him 100% of the time. To top it off now visiting fans are saying the DC is a horrible place to go because fans are rude, cursing opposing teams, and just general rude behaviour. That is what is truly telling about how a place is being managed. 

 

Sorry you are a disgruntled former alumni. Guess McCord didn't do things you approved of or didn't play who you thought should be playing who was maybe your relative and  part of the old guard thinking DC was just for a certain group. DC fans cursing and being rude is pure BS. Anyone visiting someone else's gym has said that a thousand times. I've been in hundreds. DC crowd is more subdued that most faith based places I've visited. But if you are a visitor and you stand up scream and cuss at scorekeeper and other fans like the crowd from Arlington crowd and get escorted out of the building. I guess it is a bad place to you but thats how they act at their place too. But instead of screaming at scorekeepers they scream and cuss at players. But to say it is any ones fault but the ones who planned and carried out an assault on a visiting coach after a game which they won and were told good luck afterwards because of what you say is poor management is really sad and laughable. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by OrangeGuru

[Karl]

2 hours ago, SportsWestTN said:

This blueprint has been out there. Happened during football too. Doesn't always work out, but is probably a better option then appealing to the TSSAA. 

Why would any team appeal any ruling from now on to the tssaa? 

[SportsWestTN]

1 minute ago, Karl said:

Why would any team appeal any ruling from now on to the tssaa? 

Not sure what legal costs go into filing a restraining order and having a judge hear it. I'd assume that'd be the main reason not to do it. Appeals to the TSSAA cost money though, too. 

[Karl]

2 minutes ago, SportsWestTN said:

Not sure what legal costs go into filing a restraining order and having a judge hear it. I'd assume that'd be the main reason not to do it. Appeals to the TSSAA cost money though, too. 

I can see filing a restraining order with a judge the new norm on appeals against the tssaa.

[workinprogress]

I wonder what is preventing the TSSAA from revoking Arlington's membership? Anytime you join an organization you are essentially agreeing to said organization's rules and guidelines. I know the TSSAA would not want to do this often but I would think maybe once and make an example out of a school. 

[tradertwo]

Just now, Karl said:

I can see filing a restraining order with a judge the new norm on appeals against the tssaa.

TSSAA took a big hit here. Schools are charged a fee to join their association and must agree to abide by the bylaws and rules set forth for all member schools, which (I would assume) would include determining punishment for not adhering to them. I can also see the need for court injunction in some cases, just to keep some form of checks and balances, not a total "dictatorship" by TSSAA... the issue is that the punishment administered was not out of line with multitudes of other similar situations. TSSAA has a history of quickly administering punishment, then reviewing and adjusting at a later date... in our own situation a few years back, we were also banned from postseason play. While we felt that it was too severe, we also understood that throwing punches warranted their decision, at least until investigated. We were later absolved and all penalties lifted... even though our seniors missed the tournaments that year, I feel that it was correctly handled, and have no problem with severe punishment for extreme behavior. In my viewpoint, the Judge has undermined the authority that Arlington agreed to abide by, and has opened a big can of worms.