Indian Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 @Indian probably knows more about the different school sizes and locations than the rest of us. I would like to see what things would look like with a total public/private split and three classes in each division. You would still have six champions in football (3 private and 3 public). You might still have to combine A and AA in some sports. If you could come up with 5-6 team districts in each Division and Class, teams could still play across public/private lines during the regular season as out-of-district games to cut down on travel and continue established rivalries. I don't like the "warnings" being thrown out on possible reduction of teams making the state and the like, when it would be unnecessary. It reminds me of the same propaganda that helped prevent a full split to begin with, scaring the small private schools into thinking they may have to play a Brentwood Academy etc in football. Four classes would work well, across football basketball baseball and softball (down from six football playoff classes). With three you could have much wider ranges of school size within classes than now. I have those lists of breakdowns by class, will post later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confuciuschang Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 confucuis say...numbers don't lie.....http://murphyfair.com:8080/mfs/servlet/contentpagemfs?1,49,Public/Private%20Split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 You could divide them in several different ways. What I prefer in football is four classes, using only football schools in the figuring, leaving out schools without football. The groups based on the last school counts would be Class A, to Scotts Hill at 502; Class AA, to Giles County at 841; Class AAA to Columbia at 1306; Class AAAA to Blackman at 2381. That's a wide range for the Class A schools but the positive tradeoff is the private schools in Division II. With about 72 in each class, I think only 12 districts could be used. If you go with 8 regions, the average district is 9 teams and that can kill non district money games. If you go with 16 districts, it's about 4.5 teams, too small. 12 districts would require an extra week of playoffs, but with non-district games not counting in playoff standings, you could probably cut out week zero with little problem. Four classes including non-football schools would be to Hampton at 429, to Crockett County at 782, to Knoxville West at 1244, and then to Blackman in AAAA. Three classes, you could still go with 16 districts. With only football schools, Class A would go to Lewis County at 587. Class AA would go to Jackson Northside at 968, then Blackman. With basketball schools included, go to Manassas at 544 in Class A, Class A to Tullahoma at 1081, then go to Blackman in AAA. These are all very rough counts, and more recent enrollment figures would change things too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 One more quick possibility, 5 classes, football-only schools. There would likely be 8 regions with about 7 teams each on average-but this goes back to the travel problems that ended the five class group previously. Class 1A would go to East Robertson at 424, Class 2A to West Greene at 667, Class 3A to Macon County at 953, Class 4A to Gallatin at 1381. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpie Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 With respect to the soccer example, the real issue isn't a private/public one--it just looks that way because the privates all happen to be urban, and it's urban schools that have the huge advantage in soccer due to access to high-quality off-season play. This is every bit as true in AAA (which has been all-public with the brief exception of Knox Catholic) as in A-AA. Here are your boys' champions for those same years: 2014 Collierville or Franklin 2013 Franklin 2012 Brentwood 2011 Hardin Valley 2010 Hendersonville 2009 Farragut 2008 Brentwood 2007 Farragut 2006 Bearden 2005 Brentwood 2004 Farragut 2003 Farragut 2002 Bearden And for girls: 2013 Houston 2012 Brentwood 2011 Franklin 2010 Houston 2009 Houston 2008 Siegel 2007 Bearden 2006 Bearden 2005 Collierville 2004 Houston 2003 Franklin 2002 Franklin Only two from outside of just three counties (Shelby--and only the suburbs at that, Williamson, and Knox). And neither the 'Boro nor Hendersonville is exactly rural... heck, even going back all the way to the beginning of TSSAA soccer, all but four of the 56 boys' finalists in the largest class came from either a big 4 county or a large neighbor of Nashville (the exceptions were Oak Ridge, Dobyns-Bennett, Science Hill, and the only one to win it was Clarksville). On the girls' side, again only five finalists in the largest/only class have come from outside the same seven counties (Oak Ridge, Sullivan South, Tullahoma, and twice by Dobyns-Bennett, including the only win). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebs Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I understand your point about urban/sub-urban schools. In A-AA, it doesn't quite pan out. Urban/sub-urban A-AA schools (including White House, Kingsbury, Signal Mtn. Hume Fogg, Murf. Central, Merrol Hyde and Paige) have not won a championship in 13 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpie Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Point taken, but I think I should point out that several of your examples are skewed (Signal Mountain has only existed for six years, Central has only been a high school for four, and Kingsbury was a AAA school for all but four of those years). And the winners almost all come from two of the same three areas (Williamson and Knox--you don't have east Shelby represented, because all the privates in that area went D2) that dominate AAA--in other words, the likes of Jackson and Nashville-proper haven't been any more successful at one level than another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Discussion of going back to five classes in football is supposed to be on the upcoming agenda, again. It would solve some problems-the sometimes confusing playoff format, multiplied teams not all moving up where they should be-but you'd have the same old problems with teams being spread out in regions and some having to cut out non-region rivalries due to lack of space on the schedules. They would go by this fall's school sizes but based on the last count, cutoffs would be roughly 420, 650, 925 and 1350. This seems like an attempt to avoid a full split. "See, we're doing something!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 *wades into discussion* How many privates are there currently playing football in D1? I'm thinking something through and just wanted to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Knoxville Grace, Boyd-Buchanan, Silverdale, Chattanooga Grace, Goodpasture, MTCS, Clarksville Academy, Nashville Christian, Columbia Academy, Jackson Christian, Trinity Christian, CAK, Knoxville Catholic, Chattanooga Christian, Notre Dame, Lipscomb, CPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReitzFan Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 So if the TSSAA moves 17 schools out of Division 1, everyone will be happy as a lark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradertwo Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 So if the TSSAA moves 17 schools out of Division 1, everyone will be happy as a lark? pretty much...yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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