Temple in Trouble?

[T N T]

Temple is in trouble and in more than athletics. There is alot more to the Temple story that hopefully will come out and in doing so will clean their house to make room for the right leadership so that more innocent people keep from being victims. There are much deeper issues at work and this is just one of the results. Temple has a history of cutting corners, double standards, walking the gray line and mis-managing monies and people. The biggest problem comes from the mindset of the administration (head pastor) and filters down. They've been able to cover their tracks and keep things under the table due to their history of "inbred" hiring of "yes people" who do not have experience or abilities to do the jobs their hired for and who are too nice to say or do anything to bring things to light. Case in point, their new AD who is the son of the Senior Pastor and is too young and too inexperienced for the responsibility in most people's opinion. Last year i understand that all but 4 of the teacher's made less than $22K and the Director of their Early Learning Center made less than $15K. I heard that she was recently fired because she grilling out on her back porch on Sunday night rather than attending church and it offended a deacon. Apparently, another teacher was told she would be fired if she didn't start attending Highland Park until a parent threatened the school with a law suit. I've heard recently that Temple is making all of their teachers go to Highland Park which i am sure violates some laws and is more proof of their "cultic" nature. What really makes me mad is that it is because of these self-righteous "protected" people that the kids and parents are the ones who suffer. If more parents knew what was really going on at Temple, I would have to think they wouldn't want their kids there. My advice; don't be lured by the "cheaper" tuition cost as compared with Grace, Silverdale, CCS and that "free college tuition" offer. Pay the extra monies and get a higher quality educational, scholastic and athletic experience without all the unnecessary negative drama. After all, aren't your kids worth it. That, in my opinion, is what made Wadley and Skogen finally move on. I hope the hammer falls and that with it comes sweeping reform in that school for the sake of the school.

 

 

 

You might be right about some of these other issues but all the athletic problems and the atmosphere of wrong doing started under Wadley and Skogen and their desire to win championships. The speculation of wrong doing has been there for the last 4 are 5 years begining with the Skogens and players just showing up when there was a need at certain positions to make the football team and basketball team better. Also the speculation if the tuitions were being payed. Surely you can understand why people would be suspicious

[Rabble Rouser]

But not if they are suspended....hmmmm

I think the Skogen deal is just something that came up while other issues (recruting and practice violations) were being investigated. Skogen and the principal both said they didn't know it was a violation so one or the other probably just let the cat out of the bag without realizing what the were doing. I think the discovery of issues may not be over. Rocks are being turned.

 

DIng ding ding

 

"Skogen and the principal both said they didn't know it was a violation so one or the other probably just let the cat out of the bag without realizing what the were doing."

 

Winner

 

Now ask why one or the other would have done such a thing

[TheMagneticFields]

Bill Clinton is a smooth talker and for that matter consider how well spoken and articulate Hitler was while committing horrendous crimes against his own people, all the while thinking it was in their best interest. Hmm...an interesting pararell. The facts are the decline of Temple High School by over 300 kids and the decline of Highland Park Baptist Church membership from 7,000 to around 500 has occured while under his leadership. He, most of all, has the most to lose as all fingers point to him. It was he who recommended and gave the blessing to hire Chastain, it was he who intimintly knows the fiscal arrangments of the school as the church handles the finances for the school, it was he who recommended the new Headmaster with no experience, it was he who brought football to Temple in the first place, it was he who never made good on his verbal promises for 4 years that he would raise monies to build a football field on campus and it is he who runs the school and who makes major decisions. And you thinks he deserves a standing ovation . Of course he hasn't put the blame on anyone because then he would have to blame himself. If Temple truly wants to recover and move forward they should seperate from Highland Park like David Brainerd did with Brainerd Baptist. The church cannot financially support Temple anymore. Otherwise, they should rename it Highland Park High.

Chastain is reacting because he knows that he isn't the only one that has committed infractions and thinks it isn't fair that he is the only one that should be made to suffer. It's the "if I go down, i'm taking you with me" speech. Works good in the movies but backfires in real life.

 

 

It was only a matter of time before Godwin's Law would be proven true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin_Law

 

Temple High has not declined by over 300 kids under Bouler. I was at Temple before Bouler came and we had 40 in our class and that was one of the bigger classes. There weren't even 300 in the high school total.

 

When Bouler came Highland Park was averaging about 1000 in attendance. Highland Park has never had an attendance of 7000. Yes, the church has seen some decline over the years. There are factors like the neighborhood they are in, people moving out to East Brainerd, Ooltewah. Other good area churches have sprung up/grown with former Highland Park members. Nothing wrong with that. People should be able to choose where they go to church in my opinion. Another factor is TTU is not required to attend Highland Park. Most of the TTU students go to other churches in the area. This was a decision Bouler made to lift the long time rule of required attendance. You criticize the church for a drop in attendance while you also criticize for required attendance policy. You change one, the other will be affected.

 

Do you know Pearson's work history? While she may not be an experienced headmaster, she has worked at and around schools for a long time, most recently Liberty University. I agree the promise of a football field has gone unfulfilled. That is very disappointing. Money at Temple is tight. I don't think Temple's association with Highland Park is the cause of all their problems.

[TheMagneticFields]

so if there making them go to a certain church (that has got to be the most ridiculous thing i ve heard) i would quit and sue them, that has got to be the most absurd comment i ve heard about all of this stuff, forget the rule violations this stuff is getting crazy, i m sure if you work at Grace or Silverdale you dont have to go there, i dont know how much is true but this is getting bad.

 

 

It may not be true at Silverdale now, but at one point it was true. A lot of Temple teachers do not attend Highland Park. Read everything here with a grain of salt. We all have our agendas.

[govols78]

Actually, he was involved. The poster was a little misinformed. The CSAS student had a temple football bag which he brought into a classroom, and Coach Dragoo saw it. He asked where the kid got it and the kid told him, "at practice the day before". Everything else redandwhite said it accurate.

 

 

Dragoo does not teach P.E. so I don't know how all these Grace people think they know what Coach Dragoo did, but your facts aren't correct. I think I would be careful about tossing someone's name around who isn't involved.

[oldhops10]

ONCE AGAIN OLD PIRATE GREAT POST

 

Riiiiight.

 

Old Pirate: ARROGANT..............................ANNOYING.........................IGNORANT.

 

Yes, and you continue to prove my point. Do you speak in the third person in person? Try it sometime and see how long it takes people to get annoyed and walk away.

 

Old Pirate said: How much more arrogant,annoying,igorant can one be than to still argue TT has not done wrong...............

 

I didn't say that there wasn't wrongdoing. I simply argued that we do not know all of the facts to be making such grandiose accusations. A little bit of humility and more cautious language might be the better part of wisdom until the TSSAA is finished their investigation. There is too much smoke surrounding Temple for there not to be a fire somewhere, but let's not assume we know where it is.

 

TNT said: You might be right about some of these other issues but all the athletic problems and the atmosphere of wrong doing started under Wadley and Skogen and their desire to win championships. The speculation of wrong doing has been there for the last 4 are 5 years begining with the Skogens and players just showing up when there was a need at certain positions to make the football team and basketball team better. Also the speculation if the tuitions were being payed. Surely you can understand why people would be suspicious

 

Your first statement against the Wadleys and Skogens is completely false, and for you to make such a slanderous accusation without proof is uncalled for and dangerous. You need to retract your statement. You do not have the proof to back it up. You portray Coaches Wadley and Skogen to be men who want to win at all costs, and that is simply not the case. Winning isn't everything to either of them. Further, the Skogens transferring to Temple was completely above board, within the rules, etc. Jacob was in 8th Grade; Caleb in 6th Grade. To my knowledge Coach Wadley and Coach Skogen were always careful about transfers being handled properly, and according to the rules. Some of the language that I am hearing makes it almost sound like every transfer should be viewed with suspicion (someone else noted this as well, as I recall). That's completely unfair. If a student-athlete has the opportunity to transfer to a program that will allow them to showcase their talent, as opposed to riding the bench or getting lost in the shuffle at a larger school, and can transfer within the rules that is perfectly legitimate.

[govols78]

Silverdale never required their teachers to attend SBC nor does Grace require its teachers to attend GBC.

 

So they hire incompetent people who manage to be competent enough to cover their incompetence?

 

The new AD is the son of the associate pastor, not the senior pastor.

A lot of the teachers do not attend Highland Park. You can read in the Early Learning Center brochure where it mentions employees attending other churches. Now they do want the director of the Early Learning Center to be a Highland Park member. I do not know the details so your grilling story could be true. If so, that's silly, but not my call.

 

Does anyone know if Silverdale still requires their teachers to attend SBC?

 

I too wish Temple the best and hope they make the necessary changes to be the school they should be.

[oldhops10]

DIng ding ding

 

"Skogen and the principal both said they didn't know it was a violation so one or the other probably just let the cat out of the bag without realizing what the were doing."

 

Winner

 

Now ask why one or the other would have done such a thing

 

 

This was a clerical/administrative error. Coach Skogen was paid by the school the amount that it would cost his sons to attend the school. The mistake came in that Temple was supposed to write Coach Skogen a check for his coaching services, and then Coach Skogen would turn right around and pay the tuition - which was a completely legitimate arrangement. It is a matter of a technicality, and something that the administration should have handled properly.

 

That's the story regarding the Skogens in this matter. Not nearly as lively as others might want it to be, but the simple truth nonetheless.

[Rabble Rouser]

This was a clerical/administrative error. Coach Skogen was paid by the school the amount that it would cost his sons to attend the school. The mistake came in that Temple was supposed to write Coach Skogen a check for his coaching services, and then Coach Skogen would turn right around and pay the tuition - which was a completely legitimate arrangement. It is a matter of a technicality, and something that the administration should have handled properly.

 

That's the story regarding the Skogens in this matter. Not nearly as lively as others might want it to be, but the simple truth nonetheless.

 

Revisionist history and irrelevent.

[zonepirate]

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Now that's funny

[zonepirate]

Actually, he was involved. The poster was a little misinformed. The CSAS student had a temple football bag which he brought into a classroom, and Coach Dragoo saw it. He asked where the kid got it and the kid told him, "at practice the day before". Everything else redandwhite said it accurate.

 

 

That's about what I heard except I didn't know the name of the coach

[silverdalefan]

It makes sense and I believe Coach Skogen was sincere in what he thought, but according to the TSSAA it is still a violation, and yes it is the fault of the administration. This will be referred to as "lack of institutional control"!