Fayetteville to forfeit 6 wins

[Red Rebels]

18 minutes ago, Vandychris said:

This from my daughter in law, who graduated Lincoln County High and has a sibling currently in LCHS. LCHS and Fayetteville city do not share busing. It is open enrollment throughout the county. If you can get to the school you can go there. LCHS has no buses within the city limits. Fayetteville City has no buses in the county.IF you live in the city you can go to LCHS but provide your own transportation. Same with Fayetteville City-if you live in the county you can go to City but must provide your own transportation.

I think the issue on eligibility comes in prior to their participation in Alabama. Were they part of the LCHS system as an athlete before going to participate in Alabama or was he originally at City?

I think this is the key. Hypothetically: Did they move to Mobile, Alabam (example for distance only)  and then move back or did they just drive to a school in Alabama from Lincoln County and still live in Lincoln County.  

[PullinGuard]

14 minutes ago, Salem said:

The original article stating the latest ruling claimed the new info was gleaned from the FHS website. 

Transportation is provided to all K-12 students living inside city limits.

Please contact your student's school about how to have your student ride the bus.

https://www.fcsboe.org/domain/42

 

Marshall County has a similar policy with its 3 schools. It is (or was) open zoned. A student can attend any of the three high schools and play if they live in the county; however, bus transportation is not provided. We've had several athletes that lived in CHS or MCHS areas and vice versa that played sports at Forrest while living outside the area served by our buses. 

Based on the Fayetteville HS decision explanation if an athlete from Alabama or North Dakota moves into rural Marshall County he must sit out a year if he wants to attend one of the three schools that do not run buses by his/her house. 

This is a great example.  There are many dozens of schools (Tullahoma, LCHS, Huntland, just to get started) that this will happen to if the TSSAA is allowed to disregard it's territory rule for all 'system-wide' schools and instead applies the zoned-system bus rule to all. 

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by PullinGuard

[Oleskooly]

20 minutes ago, PullinGuard said:

Not true.  There are many, many County kids at City and there always have been. 

Ok. Then the lady that helped overview the original policies is wrong I guess. 

[Crock1615]

https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolmap/

this is the census bureau map of all school districts in the us. 

if you zoom in to lincoln county tennessee and then click the "Zoom to" link on fayetteville city schools, it highlights the city limits of fayetteville,    if you click the "zoom to" link for lincoln county schools, it highlights all of lincoln county except the fayetteville city limits. 

[tradertwo]

15 minutes ago, PullinGuard said:

It's not logical.  The TSSAA says the geographic boundaries are whatever the Fayetteville School Board says they are.  The Fayetteville School Board says it's all of Lincoln County. 

Rhetorical, but again... Fayetteville City School Board does not affect TSSAA policy. FCSB is accountable for school policy only, and could allow students from anyplace on earth to play football without meeting TSSAA's requirements if they so choose. TSSAA's position on the matter seems to be that THEY require transfer students to reside within bus zones of the school in question. Fair, reasonable, arguable, questionable, logical, ect… isn't the point here, the point is that if policy states it, schools must follow it..

[PullinGuard]

2 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolmap/

this is the census bureau map of all school districts in the us. 

if you zoom in to lincoln county tennessee and then click the "Zoom to" link on fayetteville city schools, it highlights the city limits of fayetteville,    if you click the "zoom to" link for lincoln county schools, it highlights all of lincoln county except the fayetteville city limits. 

Appreciate it, but it's irrelevant.  The TSSAA says the geographic boundaries are whatever the school board say they are.  And they both say all of LC.

The TSSAA rules do not recognize this map, so it has no bearing.

Edited October 30, 2019 by PullinGuard

[Crock1615]

15 minutes ago, Salem said:

The original article stating the latest ruling claimed the new info was gleaned from the FHS website. 

Transportation is provided to all K-12 students living inside city limits.

Please contact your student's school about how to have your student ride the bus.

https://www.fcsboe.org/domain/42

 

Marshall County has a similar policy with its 3 schools. It is (or was) open zoned. A student can attend any of the three high schools and play if they live in the county; however, bus transportation is not provided. We've had several athletes that lived in CHS or MCHS areas and vice versa that played sports at Forrest while living outside the area served by our buses. 

Based on the Fayetteville HS decision explanation if an athlete from Alabama or North Dakota moves into rural Marshall County he must sit out a year if he wants to attend one of the three schools that do not run buses by his/her house. 

yes to be eligible immediately they must enroll in the school that runs buses by their house, unless they are entering the 9th grade, then they could go to any school in the county.

[PullinGuard]

6 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

yes to be eligible immediately they must enroll in the school that runs buses by their house, unless they are entering the 9th grade, then they could go to any school in the county.

So, if a kid moves into Tullahoma instead, he simply can't play, correct?  No buses.

 

And how do you argue they aren't 'system-wide' schools, when the school board says they are? 

If 'system-wide' school doesn't apply to open zoned schools and doesn't apply to a single high school in a system, then what on earth would it mean?  If there is no such thing as a system-wide school, why would the territory definition specifically include it? 

Edited October 30, 2019 by PullinGuard

[Crock1615]

Just now, PullinGuard said:

So, if a kid moves into Tullahoma instead, he simply can't play, correct? 

 

And how do you argue they aren't 'system-wide' schools, when the school board says they are?

is tullahoma a city school district similar to fayetteville?  i am from west tennessee, so i am not familiar with all the geography over there.    but if so, the transfer would be eligible if he moved into the city limits of tullahoma. 

[PullinGuard]

6 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

is tullahoma a city school district similar to fayetteville?  i am from west tennessee, so i am not familiar with all the geography over there.    but if so, the transfer would be eligible if he moved into the city limits of tullahoma. 

It's a city school system with a single high school, just like Fayetteville.  I do not know what their school board sets as their geographic boundaries.  It is whatever they say and the Tullahoma city limits is not the limit unless their school board says so.

I agree they'd be eligible if they moved to Tullahoma, but there are no buses.  So, if the bus rules governs, they wouldn't be eligible under any circumstances.

Edited October 30, 2019 by PullinGuard

[Indian]

An outcome of all this, transfers all over the state will be scrutinized far more closely by the TSSAA. 

[RocketHouse]

Problem is the TSSAA is trying to use one short concise rule to handle transfers in every situation. The bus route rule may be appropriate in a Nashville or Memphis school setting but not in these rural county situations where multiple kids drive 30-40 miles to school every day.