Enrollment Numbers

[FBfan26]

1 minute ago, SmallTownSportsGuy said:

This. 100 percent this. Metro areas are almost always gonna have more resources to offer and talent to pick from than your rural schools do.

Gift and curses because a lot of metropolitan schools envy the rural Schools with all the support they get from the town and board

[ManOfMillions]

1 hour ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

Yes… I am handsome.

You are HANDsome!!! 

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

46 minutes ago, FBfan26 said:

Gift and curses because a lot of metropolitan schools envy the rural Schools with all the support they get from the town and board

I agree with this 100%.

Edited June 30, 2022 by BIGPURPLEMACHINE

[theawesomebro]

34 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

I agree with this 100%.

do you think maybe it is more the suburban schools have the advantage?  not a lot of davidson co public schools crushing it as of late.   3 best public school teams that lipscomb faced last year and this year are all suburbs (oakland; milton, GA; thompson, AL).  seems they have the talent and the money.  thompson's facilities look better than most private schools!

 

FWIW, I grew up in franklin co so I get the rural schools have a disadvantage in any case.

Edited June 30, 2022 by theawesomebro

[Red Rebels]

On 6/21/2022 at 3:38 PM, Southtowner said:

Enrollment numbers will be due in September for the next classification period.

Also, with new Executive Director,  Mark Reeves stepping in to replace Bernard Childress,  (aka Chilly to message board folks), will there be any differences or anything new on the horizon. 

With gas prices at a record high and enrollment numbers due it has me thinking out loud the way I do at times. Could higher prices at the pumps give TSSAA and of course the schools some pause and consider going back to the Z plan?

Z plan for the regular season (A/AA, AAA/AAAA, &  AAAAA/AAAAAA,  then sub classes for the playoffs.  1A , 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, & 6A.

Also, will we stay on a 2 year classification period or return to 4 years.  

As volatile as things are, I would expect to stay on a 2 year cycle.  But who know?

Thoughts? 

 

The Z-Plan won't have Sullivan South to kick around any more! 

The TSSAA left a team out of the playoffs. Let that sink in. They messed up, and then sent a good team all the way to Columbia, which really was no favor to Columbia. The Z-Plan was a mess that showed how inept the TSSAA can be.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Red Rebels
Красные повстанцы идут до конца.

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

7 minutes ago, theawesomebro said:

do you think maybe it is more the suburban schools have the advantage?  not a lot of davidson co public schools crushing it as of late.   3 best public school teams that lipscomb faced last year and this year are all suburbs (oakland; milton, GA; thompson, AL).  seems they have the talent and the money.  thompson's facilities look better than most private schools!

 

FWIW, I grew up in franklin co so I get the rural schools have a disadvantage in any case.

I was just having this conversation with another poster. I think it is the suburbs but rural schools too. For example, Peabody is a 1A school in a town of less than 4000 people. Yet they have a Jumbotron and a fully turfed indoor practice facility. Milan is a town of around 7000 and has a stadium that looks like a small college stadium and is about to begin construction on an indoor facility. Went to the Dyersburg vs East playoff game this last year. The difference in facilities was astounding. 

[cbg]

On 6/30/2022 at 2:05 AM, tradertwo said:

How dare you bring up academics on a high school sports thread!!! You want to see the gap widen even further? If the voucher program ever passes, public school systems near metro areas will go in the toilet. Proponents tout the word "choice" to the public and they lap it up, but parents will never have control over where their kid goes to school by controlling the funds...the privates grant admission to their school, and would love the right to "cherry pick" the brightest and most well behaved from the publics, while being paid tuition from government funding. Same principal as athletics, only a much more disastrous scale for public education.

We partially agree!  The top prep/private schools already “cherry pick” the best and brightest students for academics, athletics, fine arts, etc… to provide each class a more well rounded student body.  These schools are much like colleges and universities in that they offer financial aid (families must complete financial aid forms that are then sent off to an independent clearing house) to those families that qualify.  Once the numbers are returned to the school via the clearinghouse the schools then make the difficult decision as to what percentage they will offer the families.  Example; if the student qualifies for $10,000 per year, the school may have a policy that they offer no more than 50% of what a family qualifies for which in this instance would be $5000.00.  For decades families that made the decision to send their child to a private institution have forfeited “THEIR” educational  tax dollars.  Throughout history the public schools have benefited greatly because it allowed them to keep the tax dollars of the private school children and use it on the public school children.  In essence what this voucher law would do is allow the private school families to take those dollars with them to assist in paying the private school tuition.  Let’s be completely honest and transparent and tell the truth about the large metropolitan public schools; they are atrocious and have been for decades.  I ask the following question:  in large metropolitan areas what have the mayors, city councils, director of schools and school boards ever really done to help the poor and minorities?  While I love athletics more than most people could ever imagine I truly believe that “ACADEMICS” not athletics, along with big dose of tough love is the only way to raise ones self up and out of poverty.  Let’s stop the insanity of continuing to throw money at the problem and give the inner city families what they deserve and that’s a great public school education.  This is not a money problem it’s a people problem.

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

1 hour ago, cbg said:

For decades families that made the decision to send their child to a private institution have forfeited “THEIR” educational  tax dollars.  Throughout history the public schools have benefited greatly because it allowed them to keep the tax dollars of the private school children and use it on the public school children.  

I agree with a large portion of what you said but disagreed with what you said above. BEP money (funding for local school systems  is determined by average daily attendance. Schools with more students receive more money. If a family decided to send their child to private school that money did not go to the public school anyway. However I suspect you may have been talking about something a little different. 

[tradertwo]

1 hour ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

I agree with a large portion of what you said but disagreed with what you said above. BEP money (funding for local school systems  is determined by average daily attendance. Schools with more students receive more money. If a family decided to send their child to private school that money did not go to the public school anyway. However I suspect you may have been talking about something a little different. 

All of the above, and the fact that public education is a government service, just as police, fire, and public transit...if you choose to provide your own security, fire, and transportation because you find the publicly provided service insufficient, you will have to pay for those services without reallocating tax dollars to supplement you for it. No matter how poorly any system is managed, it's better than the potential...for example when the Special Ed portion of the voucher bill passed, several pop-up "private schools" for mentally challenged students were chartered. One (in Nashville) was busted for housing ten "students" in a garage with one "co-ed toilet" and no teaching materials at all. 

[cbg]

40 minutes ago, tradertwo said:

All of the above, and the fact that public education is a government service, just as police, fire, and public transit...if you choose to provide your own security, fire, and transportation because you find the publicly provided service insufficient, you will have to pay for those services without reallocating tax dollars to supplement you for it. No matter how poorly any system is managed, it's better than the potential...for example when the Special Ed portion of the voucher bill passed, several pop-up "private schools" for mentally challenged students were chartered. One (in Nashville) was busted for housing ten "students" in a garage with one "co-ed toilet" and no teaching materials at all. 

Not for myself or my family but I would like to know how the residents of Davidson County should proceed with insuring that their children receive a good public school education.  Again, let’s not forget that John “KING JOHN” Cooper (the son of Prentice Cooper who ran as a Segregationist in the 1958 US Senate election and lost to Albert Gore, Sr.) has no track record of helping minorities gain a quality education, the metro council that has stood by and watched for decades as public education in MNPS has deteriorated, a school board that is a complete travesty and always wants to fix problems with money.  The only good thing about MNPS is Adrienne Battle who is doing her best against all odds.  Public school educators and administrators want to complain about charter schools siphoning away students from traditional public schools but what about MLK Magnet and Hume Fogg Magnet schools, are they not siphoning away many of the best and brightest students?  The easy part is complaining about MNPS but the difficulty is in truly fixing the issues for the children and their families.

[rlh]

27 minutes ago, cbg said:

Not for myself or my family but I would like to know how the residents of Davidson County should proceed with insuring that their children receive a good public school education.  Again, let’s not forget that John “KING JOHN” Cooper (the son of Prentice Cooper who ran as a Segregationist in the 1958 US Senate election and lost to Albert Gore, Sr.) has no track record of helping minorities gain a quality education, the metro council that has stood by and watched for decades as public education in MNPS has deteriorated, a school board that is a complete travesty and always wants to fix problems with money.  The only good thing about MNPS is Adrienne Battle who is doing her best against all odds.  Public school educators and administrators want to complain about charter schools siphoning away students from traditional public schools but what about MLK Magnet and Hume Fogg Magnet schools, are they not siphoning away many of the best and brightest students?  The easy part is complaining about MNPS but the difficulty is in truly fixing the issues for the children and their families.

AL Gore Sr was one of the 12 Dem Senators along with William Fulbright and the late Bob Byrd that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act so that whole comment is moot.

[BIGPURPLEMACHINE]

26 minutes ago, cbg said:

Not for myself or my family but I would like to know how the residents of Davidson County should proceed with insuring that their children receive a good public school education.  Again, let’s not forget that John “KING JOHN” Cooper (the son of Prentice Cooper who ran as a Segregationist in the 1958 US Senate election and lost to Albert Gore, Sr.) has no track record of helping minorities gain a quality education, the metro council that has stood by and watched for decades as public education in MNPS has deteriorated, a school board that is a complete travesty and always wants to fix problems with money.  The only good thing about MNPS is Adrienne Battle who is doing her best against all odds.  Public school educators and administrators want to complain about charter schools siphoning away students from traditional public schools but what about MLK Magnet and Hume Fogg Magnet schools, are they not siphoning away many of the best and brightest students?  The easy part is complaining about MNPS but the difficulty is in truly fixing the issues for the children and their families.

Having been in education for roughly 20 years as a teacher and admin I would say that no one can “fix” issues for students and parents. They have to fix them for themselves. When you have less than 5% of parents show up for PT conferences and those are the parents of students that are excelling it is clear that the support is not there at home. I have worked in large urban districts and small rural districts. The students that are succeeding have parents at home doing their job and supporting the child and teacher. The ones that are failing (not all but the vast majority) do not have the in home support it takes to be successful.