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Logan Fowler, JoJo Uhorchuk, and Max Norman are national champions! Congratulations!!! Way to represent the state of Tennessee!

Hey wrestling community! Now that the season is over, I’m going to start filling up my calendar. I’ll be offering local private lessons, and I can travel for clinics and camps. If you’re interested and want to set something up, you can email me or message me here. My email is: [email protected] I look forward to hearing from you!

The changing of the game itself is to blame. It doesn't matter how many classifications their are. The talent in basketball in general is down because of AAU and influencer basketball. No one plays team defense, bad shots, no strategy, less skill, etc... is the cause of the decline of the game. Rebounding and defense are essential and it is avoided like the plague. Look at how wild the NCAA tournament has been the past few years. The strategy is simply try to beat the guy in front of you and throw up a wild shot and hope to get bailed out.

This is not true. You can get a probationary teaching license IF you have a degree in a teachable field ie: you have a BA in English you can get something that allows you to teach while you are getting your certification. This is very rare though. Mostly if you have your degree you MUST take a state Praxis test to get your certification before you step foot in a classroom. The only other option is to get a CTE teaching certification (vocational) where a limited few don't require a degree just 5 years industry experience, some require an industry certification (graphic design etc.) and some actually still require a degree. If NONE of this can happen the school CAN hire a coach and put him/her in a classified role like an ISS teacher (In school suspension) or as a TA. Then of course you have in the state of Tennessee that you DON'T even have to be teacher to be a head football coach or head coach of anything for that matter. You don't even have to work in the building at all!! ...As long as you have coached in that sport as an assistant coach registered with the TSSAA for 5 consecutive years and passed a state test. An example of that is the Bearden Head Football Coach Josh Jones. He doesn't work for Bearden in ANY way shape or form except as their Head Football Coach. Also...I'm still pissed this happened. Greenback is a draw. Good coaches wanted this job! This is a sham. I put it on the same level as the 2020 election.

Oh, I thought that we ARE supporting the boys by wanting something better for them than a head coach with no experience and a part-time AD. People who are not confident in coaching staffs are known to take their kids to other schools and we are not deep enough for that to happen.

What a dumpster fire.

I would hate to think that Spencer quit bc he didnt win his semis match. He has accomplished WAY too much and fought through alot of adversity to give up and not wrestle it out for 3rd place. However, that same thought did cross my mind as well when I saw/heard he wasn't coming back on Saturday. To be fair, that is easy to do when you dont see an obvious injury, like what happened in the Munoz match. I hope that's not the case, but I guess time will tell. On a side note, I think the 2023 tournament was one of, if not the most historic tournament of all-time! You had Yianni become a 4-time champ (only 5th ever), Spencer upset in the semis trying to bc a 4 timer, RBY upset in the finals trying to bc a 3 timer, 2 wrestlers that won their 3rd and now have a chance to bc 4 timers in Starocci and Brooks (Starocci has 2 yrs left and can get to 5) and that's not including O'Toole who just won his 2nd as a true sophomore. I honestly believe that in 20-30 yrs we'll look back at this tournament and say it was one of the most historic tournaments of all-time!

... Need to have their phone taken away or their laptop thrown in the trash... Sad. why take away from what kids are doing? they can't help it that the talent isn't what it use to be or the classifications changed and made more teams make the state tournament. Celebrate them. They are playing in the state tournament making memories of a lifetime. Let them enjoy it and don't take away from their experience because it "just isn't the way it use to be". LET THEM ENJOY IT AND CELEBRATE THEM.

Piper Fowler- National Champion Trinity Lynn- 4th Place

Hadn't read anything on this thread in a few day due to the big fire in Greenback. I'm looking forward to Derek's career at Oak Ridge and what he can bring to the table especially since he's one of our boy's from Maryville plus Oak Ridge being one of my other favorite teams. Most of us know each other away from the board and disagree from time to time. My wars are usually against the system and how things are mishandled and not against anyone on here even though I have stepped on someone's toes because of it from time to time. I don't pick sides and stay out of it if two are going at it about something. I do want to say I have very high regards for everyone on this thread and enjoy all the information each one shares even if another poster doesn't. I also want to say I miss Willie something awful and he was taken to early and wish he had been here to see the new era in Oak Ridge Football.

After my son’s Freshman year, the McCallie administration stopped providing financial aid for wrestling to solely concentrate on football. it got them 3 state titles in Football and couple of injuries away from winning it again this year. It also got them 2 just awful wrestling seasons and several awful seasons in other sports too. There has been a change at McCallie administration and now all sports especially wrestling are getting love again. McCallie has the best coaching staff in the state with Yost, Pitts, Leavit, Newman and the rest. And now they are loading up with a massive class of freshman that have already said they are coming in and possibly of a few more they still may get. McCallie is going to be on top again here soon.

I know this will never happen, but I think it'll be smart if there's a week where there will be 0 games for fall break, and school systems across Tennessee can adjust to making sure that fall break is on that week. Sort of a joint agreement where nobody in Tennessee plays on that week.

the loss does not define his legacy. he is still one of the GOAT’s of NCAA/Amateur wrestling. It’s been an absolute honor watching him compete. It’s impossible to come to a realistic opinion on this without knowing the details. You have to remember, last year he wrestled on 2 bum knees, with no ACL’s. Something we never would’ve known had Tom not told him to talk about it in his post match interview. That in itself proves to me that he would keep going no matter what, even if he was hurt. The fact that he lost, if he really was hurt, means there was no longer a reason to risk potential permanent damage. If the team title depended on it, i fully believe he would’ve kept going. But with going through the consolations meaning nothing more than just that, a consolation prize, for a guy who is going to go down as one of the greatest EVER, i don’t think it’s worth the risk. I get that kids look up to him, but that’s not a reason to risk potential permanent or career ending injury, if he was indeed hurt. And even if he wasn’t, who knows what kind of mental toll that loss took on him. So again i say, without knowing the entire story from his mouth or Tom Brands, you shouldn’t be bashing or calling out a kid who has done an astronomical amount for this sport in this country, just because you think he should’ve kept going for whatever reason. Especially without knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.

There it is in one sentence. Not that all do, but all magnet schools have the opportunity to assemble a hand picked enrollment, and the decision about where the students are admitted from lies solely with their administration. The "Magnet" designation removes all restrictions other than what is self imposed. Let's not debate what a specific school engages in, but what the opportunity to do is. Educate yourself before you berate someone else.

Folks just don't get the difference unless they're part of it. Cities with 30,000 people can't put 1,200 (many not even close) in a gym for a substate game, yet small towns with 3,000 people have to have the Fire Marshall on site to cut off admission. It's interesting to discuss with them, but they'll never really understand. You've not really lived until you've been to a game with people sitting elbow to elbow and lined around the floor shoulder to shoulder!!!

Greenback didn't hire no one the Loudon County Board of Dumbazzs did.We weren't in the meeting.

WOW! Greenback hired a REC coach as it's Head Football Coach! Dear Jesus this is stupid!!

Best viewpoint in the thread. I agree with the data...that's hard numbers, and if you want to include opinion, envision the tournament as it would have looked with three classes. Eight less teams overall, but with region splits included, would the level of competition really have been that much greater?

I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night

Ok maybe he should have put Alumni of in front of the Schools part. (I knew where he was going when he said LEGAL TSSAA NIL Program). I'm not an attorney either and could see the way to work around the verbiage the TSSAA released. I don't agree with your 2nd part of more violations. A minors cannot enter into a legal contract (NIL Deal or any other contract without being 18 years old). It would be me an Alumni talking to the minors parents and they would be the one having to sign anything pertaining to a NIL deal. Any smart business person that has money to start a NIL as an Alumni should be smart enough to do what i just described. Do you really think the TSSAA are going to go after parents since the contract wouldn't even be with the minor?

I agree, people will take their kids other places. It’s so unfortunate. I agree I want what’s best for our kids. By showing support I meant regardless of who administration puts in there , we have to support the boys. We can voice our opinions all day long, we can request who we want all day long, we can do all that…. At the end of the day we have been shown that administration isn’t listening. Instead of screaming that Greenback football is doomed, we still have to support the ones that pad up and walk out there. They don’t need to hear that stuff, they need to know that regardless they have a community that supports them and believes in them. We all know what this group that is in there now is capable of, we know that they have grit and play with heart. We can be upset, I’m not saying any of this has gone right. I’m just saying that remember who all this has truly impacted.

The kid wrestled in the NCAA finals with 2 torn ACLs a couple of years ago......but couldn't make it to the consos.

This aged well

You can disagree all you want, but numbers don’t lie. 6 Seasons prior to Ryan - .671 Overall win %, .625 District win %, .444 Playoff win % 6 Seasons under Ryan - .829 Overall win %, .971 District win %, .791 Playoff win % His teams lost 1 district game in 6 years, and that during Covid affected season where you were lucky to have enough players available to take the field. If you want to credit it all to superior athletes, maybe it’s worth considering that he helped to develop that talent into Mr. Football and D1 (actually 6) players, as well as attracted talent from outlying areas that wanted to benefit from his coaching. Did the talent just show up, or was it developed? Let’s also not forget Ryan’s contribution to our state championship baseball team. If you truly think that the kids are the priority here, talk to any of the ones who played for Ryan (including the ones still at Greenback) and see who they would rather have as coach. No contest.

No teaching certificate !!!!!!!! Wasn't a problem before was it ?????? A lot of single A teams with enrollment of 200 kids are a coin flip away from having a football team or not. Most would be lucky if the janitor was the coach but not Greenback or that's what their leaders think. Most counties would have shut down a school with only 200 kids and sent part to Loudon and the other half to Lenior City. Now with the football in peril we have to have a bonified educated idiot with his papers to prove it. Where the ale did that get ya the last time. Greenback is a small community and don't need to go fishing for a coach from the outside or they'll keep meeting the same fate over and over. I expected we would all be gathered around this chat table on the last hire in two years not two weeks. Now will someone please remove their proud head from their rectum and go get the man who built this program back.

All great assessments. But I can’t give him a pass based off who he is. To me because of who he is, come coming back to wrestle for 3rd would have in my opinion give him just as much respect if he had won it all.

I thought about this angle and have settled on the notion that wrestlers on this level aren't quitters. Assuming he is not actually injured, I would say that that I don't know what I would do if put in his same situation. This was way more than just another regular season tournament; more than the Big Tens; more than Midlands, The Scuffle, or even every other NCAA tournament he has wrestled in. This was a legacy defining tournament. These kinds of outcomes can break a person, and if someone as hardcore as Spencer Lee can be broken by this then I have to assume 99% of us would be as well. The only person who can probably relate to Spencer is Dan Gable. Hopefully he has been there to offer encouragement. Also I think Penn State had pretty much put any doubts to rest on who was going to win the team title by Saturday morning, so nothing Spencer could do on that day was going to make any difference. Maybe if the team race was in the balance we would have seen him wrestle for third. I would like to think so. Bottom line is that he gets a pass from me on this one.

Freshmen -JoJo Uhorchuk and Mason Jakob both will wrestle in the finals tomorrow at 106 and 113 respectively -Ryder Smith will wrestle for 3rd place at 195, and Titus Norman will wrestle for 7th place at 132 Sophomores -"Mad Max" Norman will wrestle in the finals tomorrow at 160 -Ethan Uhorchuk will wrestle for 3rd at 120 and Cy Fowler will wrestle for 5th at 160 Juniors -Logan Fowler will wrestle in the finals at 145lbs -Jarvis Little (126) and Rob Atwood (220) will wrestle for 5th while Garrett Crowder wrestles for 7th Seniors -Ethan Lipsey will wrestle for 5th at 132, and Bentley Ellison (126) and Logan Heckert (170) will wrestle for 7th Congratulations to our 13 All-Americans! Dobyns-Bennett: 4 Cleveland: 3 Signal Mountain: 2 Bradley Central, Trousdale County, Sycamore, CCS: 1 Best of luck to these young men tomorrow!

Board workshop to get on the minutes is April 6th at 6pm School board Meeting April 13th 7pm He is not the coach until voted in.Time to cowboy up and piss a bunch of politicians off.

Coach Ronnie Bray was on leave and as of this week has since been removed as the HC.

Should of called this thread "Greenback Exposed". Full of liars, crooks and no straights. You would have to be Ray Charles not to read through this dumpster fire and not figure it out from some of the stories most have shared with us by very credible posters from the Greenback Community. I would be sick at my stomach also if I knew the fox was in charge of the hen house at my school making decisions then hiding like a bunch of cowards after the fact. Those people have made Greenback look like the laughing stock of the whole state and everyone should be fired or resign because their to incompetent to be in charge of a lemonade stand.

Coach Farmer was a gentleman in every way

I love seeing it to. It’s like a talent stick. Lets us know how they state is doing compared to other states. Ain’t nothing like knocking out states top team off.

You from Watertown? Cool. Lebanon here many years ago.

If I seem to be more involved than I have a right to be, I've seen it happen... back when I was recently graduated there was another high school in our area. Sardis and Scotts Hill were 5 miles apart, with towns very similar in size... both were slated to be closed and consolidated into Lexington (15 miles north) but the Scotts Hill folks had pitchforks and torches at the ready. Long story short, Sardis was closed and Scotts Hill survived. Scotts Hill is still a small, tight knit community and the school is flourishing. Sardis is a ghost town, and the remnants of the school were finally torn down last week. Again, once the doors are chained shut it's over... fight for what you love tooth and nail!

Well II have seen the emails sent by both Brian Hanley and Jimmy Stinnett so I can tell you first hand that both of the voted for Greg Ryan. So if that is what Mr. Brookshire told you yes he lied. But I know him better than that so maybe you have made a mistake in what you heard. I personally have sent Mr. Brookshire a request for every vote that was made during this whole debacle. I hope I get it soon. Be cause if all 6 of these people say they did what they felt was right for our kids and school and our community the they should not have a problem with the public seeing their votes, unless they have something to hide.

I just love these little crooked hometown threads where everyone jumps on board and exposes Sheriff Roscoe and Boss Hogg for what they done.

The land is behind the First Baptist Church in LC! Which is behind the Home Depot. It's being built for all of the growth in LC and overcrowding at LC High School and North Middle. It should not effect Greenback at all.

I'm being told many times by others Ryan didn't but that's fine. Wasn't sure what the qualifications for the head spot was at Greenback. I hope he catches on somewhere else. One day your in the running for the Kingsport D-B job and the next they won't even give you a blanket and a warm meal at a place you took to the state championship game. Your not even in the running against someone with a" Bachelor of Farts Certificate" from a Krystal hamburger eating contest. They should change the name of the place down there to Stupidville in honor of who all is running it.

Actually means waiting and it was a typo. Pretty much all you got. Welcome to my ignore list. You should enjoy it there with a certain Bobcat and the rest of the legions of the miserable.

I was over in Trenton this past Saturday. My youngest daughter was in a pagent at the high school. As I entered the building, I saw the gold balls displayed, and immediately thought about Pride. I had on a McKenzie hoodie and I was talking to another McKenzie Dad about our girls winning back to back gold balls. A gentleman came up, who was taking photos of the girls, and we started to discuss Peabody football/McKenzie football. The more and more he talked, I could tell he was very knowledgeble about the Peabody program. He mentioned he lost one of his good friends not long who also loved Peabody football. I asked him if he was on Coach T. He said, "Yes, I am." I asked who are you? He said, before I tell you, "who are you?". I told him and he said, "Okay, you make good post." I laughed, and said, "Yeah, I don't act like a jackwagon on there." Anyway, it turned out it was @Golddoctor. We had really great conversation, and he told me so much about Pride. I told him that I met him the last time we played Peabody at our field in the playoffs. Well, that was a whole conversation in itself. But I could tell he cared deeply for Shane, and missed him. So, Golddoctor, glad our paths crossed. Even if it was at a beauty pagent.

That A.D. at Greenback needs to be fired after what I just heard from someone a few minutes ago from Grenback that knows what's going on.

Jess, You and I talked yesterday on FB so listen i love ya and i do know most of these guys will still support Greenback Football, if they choose to go else where ok fine, and sure the boys dont need see some of it but alot it they do. B/c this is not about showing support or not, its about the admin and elected officals and whoever else is involved, simply does not care what you, your boys or us key board warriors on coacht and FB have to say... In reality voicing your opinion counts just about as much as me voicing mine... Thats how much this admin respects you as a parent! I'm no parent, yet... but to me that should infuriating... stop "voicing your opinions" and start "demanding to be listened too and given an explanations of why this decisions were made" these are public officals for crying out loud! (And no i'm talking about the "its what was best for the kids" line either) b/c right now they dont care one bit what we think (we being players, parents and esp us fans.lol) b/c IF this hire is true its nothing but big double barrel middle finger to all of us GREENBACK FOOTBALL FANS and telling us we need to shut and sit down, we know whats best! Like i said Jess, I see what your saying about these posts and boys i'm sry but some stuff you just need to over look (thats emotions mostly imo) this is not about if we support em or not, we do! This about the admin and how they have allowed this fiasco and where this next coaching hire can take these boys... So i'm not going to be quite about criticism toward them and this "committee" not b/c i want the attention (thats the last thing i want) i'm not gonna be quite b/c they simply dont respect any of us, especially you and your parents! How do i know this? Well you'll see who you get as coach tomorrow afternoon at the team meeting (Gosh i hope that were all wrong) vs who it could of been (And NO i'm not talking just about Greg Ryan, there were plenty of other very well qualified coaches that didnt even make the interview list) that i know for a fact. But hey if parents are willing to take it on the chin and not hold these ppl accountable then so be it... We'd been better off if we'd kept Coach E esp from a role model standpoint.

TC 97 team was special. They didnt have a single standout as they were all studs! Honestly, it would have been hard pressed to find a team in the state to beat them. I still remember seeing Scruggs run down the tail back from the back side DE spot for a loss. For those that dont know, Mr. Scruggs played at 6'4 275ish range as a guess. He may have been heavier. The only problem with the stats previously stated, they starters typically only played 2 quarters. And someone mentioned them punting to Monterey on 1st down, truth i saw it.

Let’s get it all out there. We’re here to help one another understand. How did Greg hurt you? Did he call you a name? Steal your crayons? Borrow your lawnmower without fueling it up before returning it or maybe didn’t return it at all?

Call it whatever you want, but the spread gets a lot of it's concepts from the Wing-T, which is why it's becoming more popular to run from shotgun

There have been and always will be blowouts at all levels of the tournament, that was happening with 3 classes and before the public/private split. The new private schools are the charters and magnets. Big deal, find a way to coach and play better. The TSSAA should do a better job of vetting the charters, the magnets are set up by the school system they reside in. Just a reminder that MLK is a magnet and has won a AA state championship in the past. Also I guess it’s watered down even though Nashville-Metro hasn’t won a state championship in 40 years in AAA. If football can have 6 classes in public and 3 in private then basketball can have 4 an 2.

I applaud every team that makes it here as they can only play the teams who are in front of them, at the same time there’s no way a semifinal game should be a blow out especially one decided by 40 points like MLK yesterday . That should never happen in a state tournament, if they are truly are the best 8 teams in the classification it wouldn’t happen! T$$AA needs to start noticing what everybody else can see. It’s becoming so watered down you can barely taste the Coke. Then you got Charter and Magnet schools handpicking players and playing rural county schools in 1 and 2a instead of competing in the correct divisions.

Cougar, when you heard that border wars was going to happen last year, what did you do? Did you ask if it was going to happen again this year so you could get involved? When you saw it happening again this year, did you ask the event planners how you could help (fundraising) or just sit on the sidelines and wait until the event was over to speak up? There’s some questions I doubt you’ll answer.

Except for Chad Laxton, Bradley has historically hired from the "Bear Family". If they stay in the family, then I would look at the following. Bryant Blackman-Current Bradley Assistant Alan Morris- Current Head Coach of Walker Valley Heath Eslinger- Founder of "A Better Way" Shawn Cordell Andy Morris- Current Assistant Coach of Walker Valley Al Morris-Current Athletic Director of Cleveland High School Adam Rains-Current Assistant Coach of Walker Valley